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[Eclipse]

Hi, all. I have a question about my bets today. I bet a Pick 3 in races 8, 9 and 10. I checked for scratches around 9AM EDT and none were listed through Equibase. Then while watching the pre-race preparation for race 9 saw that numbers 1 and 8 were scratched. I picked numbers 1, 5 and 8 in this race.

Since my horses were scratched, do I get the favorite instead? That was Aloha West, who won. I've never won a multi-race wager so do not know the rules on this, would appreciate explanation.

Also I'd never won any type of exotic, just wps, before hitting the exacta in the Stephen Foster, woo hoo!

[JolyB]

Eclipse, this probably isn't the answer you were hoping for, but I think it is accurate.

When Real Quiet scores the ROI, he uses the Equibase charts to gt the official results and payoffs. This is necessary because different racing jurisdictions have different rules for the way that late scratches are treated in multi race bets.

The treatment of the pick 3 you played is shown in the chart for race 10, the final leg of that pick 3. It lists 5-4-3 as the payoff for the pick 3 (and it paid $8.35 for $0.50). That means to me that if any selections were scratched, you would get a refund, not be moved to the post time favorite.

It is interesting to note (although it doesn't help you) that a pick 5 also ended with race 10. For those playing the pick 5, if they had played #1 or #8 in race 9, they would have received the PTF, which was the winning #4 Aloha West.

I don't know why they treat the scratch one way for pick 3 purposes and another way for the pick 5, but that seems to be what the chart shows.

Here's a link to the chart so you can see how it is set up. Just scroll down to race 10.

https://www.equibase.com/premium/cha...02/2022&cy=USA

As someone who dabbles in various exotic wagers, I can only encourage you to keep trying and learning as you go. Playing pick 3's, 4's and the like is like fishing for rainbow trout. It takes a lot of patience but is so satisfying when you finally catch one.

[Real Quiet]

Joly is correct. The 8 was a scratch before the start of the pick 3. Following is the rule

) Scratches and consolations:

(1) Refunds. In the event a betting entry is scratched (which hereinafter includes being declared a non-starter or a non-betting starter) from any leg of the PICK-3 prior to “official” of the first leg, all bets containing such scratched betting entry shall be refunded to determine the gross pool and removed from further consideration in the pool.

I don't know why the pick 5 gave the ptf on the 8. The rule I saw is

4. Scratches. If any betting interest is scratched, declared a non-starter or
otherwise officially withdrawn from an S-5 race, then all S-5 wagers with the
scratched/withdrawn betting interest in the race shall be refunded and deducted
from the S-5 pool.

Anyone have any explanations?

[Real Quiet]

And in my defense I am typing this with more than one alcoholic beverage too many

[RUFFIAN]

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[JolyB]

Originally Posted by RUFFIAN

MEWOWZA

NOW I KNOW WHY I JUST DO WIN WAGERS


That’s Way Over My Head
Always Hated Being Short

I understand what you are saying - trying to master the ins and outs of exotic wagering can be quite intimidating. On the other hand, our ROI provides a wonderful vehicle for learning about this aspect of wagering. It allows you to test ways to structure wagers in many different types of bets and learn what approaches can be profitable and which ones just don't work for you. At the end of the day, the only loss is to one's pride, with no damage to the bankroll. I've always felt that the ROI is the part of our weekly contests that affords the best opportunity for us to improve our handicapping (and even more important money management) and try to beat the dreaded takeout.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Eclipse

Hi, all. I have a question about my bets today. I bet a Pick 3 in races 8, 9 and 10. I checked for scratches around 9AM EDT and none were listed through Equibase. Then while watching the pre-race preparation for race 9 saw that numbers 1 and 8 were scratched. I picked numbers 1, 5 and 8 in this race.

Since my horses were scratched, do I get the favorite instead? That was Aloha West, who won. I've never won a multi-race wager so do not know the rules on this, would appreciate explanation.

Also I'd never won any type of exotic, just wps, before hitting the exacta in the Stephen Foster, woo hoo!

https://www.churchilldowns.com/racin...payoff%20price.

(1) Refunds. In the event a betting entry is scratched (which hereinafter includes being declared a non-starter or a non-betting starter) from any leg of the PICK-3 prior to “official” of the first leg, all bets containing such scratched betting entry shall be refunded to determine the gross pool and removed from further consideration in the pool.

Since your horses were scratched earlier and before the first leg of your pick 3 had been run, any ticket with the scratched horses would be refunded.