FBI Raids at Calder and Palm Meadows

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

It's a disgrace. And every owner who employed them is complicit. They can try to act shocked and appalled now, but they obviously knew exactly what was up. They hired these guys specifically because they were miracle workers. It's easy to throw sleazebags like Navarro and Servis under the bus after the **** hits the fan, but this is a systemic problem. If owners and racetracks didn't tolerate their cheating, these guys wouldn't exist. I'm glad the feds had the guts to do what everyone in racing has been too cowardly to for years on end.

The list of enablers is very long and distinguished. It’s funny because I don’t recall anyone ever defending Navarro. But Servis is another story.

He had a lot of people fooled, right up until yesterday. When people questioned his move ups, they were told what a nice guy he was and that his methods were unorthodox. Horses thrived in his barn. When his winning percentage seemed too good to be true, they were told about how much he cared for the horses and how he just gave them more time than other trainers. When horses turned into pumpkins after leaving his barn and people pointed to that as potential proof, they were told horses just react differently to different methods.

He even played the choir boy role to perfection. Not an easy thing to do when you know you’re pumping horses full of PED’s and thats your edge.

[JBJake]

Not listed as part of the 27 but how is Saffie Joseph not on this list?

Wonder how he is feeling right now.

[ScottJ]

If you have the chance to listen live, Graham Motion is speaking with Steve Byk and is seriously attacking the industry.

It is refreshing and factual. He specifically discussed running against a fellow trainer who cannot stable in Maryland but is allowed to race there, asking is this better?

As he said, the race office is interested in filling 12 races per day with 12 horses and security is not being sufficiently stressed. Why did the industry do away with the security barns on raceday? Too expensive and complaints from trainers. As Graham said, how pitiful is that.

[Benny]

Years ago i was in the paddock with horses' owner and trainer, and the conversation went " don't get out vetted" Was it a joke??

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by JBJake

Not listed as part of the 27 but how is Saffie Joseph not on this list?

Wonder how he is feeling right now.

I’m guessing he’s too new to have this deep of an investigation into him yet. He’s only started doing superhuman stuff in the past year or so. But yeah I’m sure he’s sweating bullets as are several other guys.

[casp0555]

Hanging would be too good for these POSs.....I can only hope the maximum penalties are executed and these $shitheads get everything they deserve...this literally makes me sick, it may be a long time before I look at racing the same way as I did before Monday...

https://pastthewire.com/the-doping-o...psDAL6wkX3-bzY

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

The list of enablers is very long and distinguished. It’s funny because I don’t recall anyone ever defending Navarro. But Servis is another story.

He had a lot of people fooled, right up until yesterday. When people questioned his move ups, they were told what a nice guy he was and that his methods were unorthodox. Horses thrived in his barn. When his winning percentage seemed too good to be true, they were told about how much he cared for the horses and how he just gave them more time than other trainers. When horses turned into pumpkins after leaving his barn and people pointed to that as potential proof, they were told horses just react differently to different methods.

He even played the choir boy role to perfection. Not an easy thing to do when you know you’re pumping horses full of PED’s and thats your edge.

I think there's a lot of people who knew he was a phony, myself and yourself included. Just look at the pre-Derby Maximum Security threads.

Call me a skeptic but I really doubt the Wests, et al didn't know what was going on.

[philcski]

What the industry needs to do is have statistical analysts look at each performance and the likelihood of result. Once a trainer/owner/jockey has too many questionable results (good OR bad), the scrutiny starts. Automatic security detail on the barn, etc. It's not hard to identify these guys through the past performances. Use the information available and act on it.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by philcski

What the industry needs to do is have statistical analysts look at each performance and the likelihood of result. Once a trainer/owner/jockey has too many questionable results (good OR bad), the scrutiny starts. Automatic security detail on the barn, etc. It's not hard to identify these guys through the past performances. Use the information available and act on it.

The Jockey Club and their investigative unit have been working on that utilizing Thoro-Graph and AI.

[herkhorse]

Many of these horses seem to need lots of time between races. Maybe they should be tested every few weeks whether they race or not.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by herkhorse

Many of these horses seem to need lots of time between races. Maybe they should be tested every few weeks whether they race or not.

Out of competition testing does occur ahead of big stake targets, most notably Breeder's Cup. But as came up last year, those that are cycling steroid/steroid-like meds have taken horses off by the time horses are checked. And then, as seen with this situation, there's matter of things that won't test.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Out of competition testing does occur ahead of big stake targets, most notably Breeder's Cup. But as came up last year, those that are cycling steroid/steroid-like meds have taken horses off by the time horses are checked. And then, as seen with this situation, there's matter of things that won't test.

I suspect things that don’t test have always been the issue with this arms race. Modify a molecule or 2 to stay ahead of the tests...

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Kasept

The Jockey Club and their investigative unit have been working on that utilizing Thoro-Graph and AI.

Excellent news, it's about time.

When you see a guy claiming horses running 10's and then popping off 2's and 3's repeatedly, it's not real. We all know this.