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Old 08-22-2018, 05:50 PM
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****ing Joke.. They need to get those 2 guys coupled
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Old 08-22-2018, 05:56 PM
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****ing Joke.. They need to get those 2 guys coupled
Didn’t catch the race. What happened?
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Old 08-23-2018, 10:01 AM
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It seems like several folks on here were relatively unfamiliar with the Grand Slam bet...So, I thought it was worth reviewing yesterday's results.

A quick look at the charts will tell you that yesterday was essentially the worst case scenario for the wager.

Leg 1 - The top 3 betting choices all hit the board
Leg 2 - The top 3 betting choices all hit the board
Leg 3 - The top 3 betting choices all hit the board AND the 1 horse was a late scratch which means, as the Double Will Pay favorite, you essentially had four top choices hit the board.

Focus Group paid 4.30/1 on the Win end and 7.40/1 in the Grand Slam

A few takeaways:

You can create some value using the Grand Slam even under the "worst" scenarios.

You rarely want to just "hit" the Grand Slam, this is a bet that you want to have multiple times - Think of the approach that Fantini suggested and apply to your bankroll, but don't try to have it for $1 increment.

Using multiple horses in the payoff leg really dilutes your potential return - at least when you use multiple horses in Leg 1,2,3 you actually have a chance for multiple horses to hit the board and you aren't guaranteeing loss.

I'd suggest watching the results over a few days before jumping to conclusions based on yesterday's results alone.

One final comment, the Grand Slam starts in race 9 on Saturday. This means the payoff leg is the Ballston Spa, not the Travers. Bummer.
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Old 08-23-2018, 10:11 AM
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It seems like several folks on here were relatively unfamiliar with the Grand Slam bet...So, I thought it was worth reviewing yesterday's results.

A quick look at the charts will tell you that yesterday was essentially the worst case scenario for the wager.

Leg 1 - The top 3 betting choices all hit the board
Leg 2 - The top 3 betting choices all hit the board
Leg 3 - The top 3 betting choices all hit the board AND the 1 horse was a late scratch which means, as the Double Will Pay favorite, you essentially had four top choices hit the board.

Focus Group paid 4.30/1 on the Win end and 7.40/1 in the Grand Slam

A few takeaways:

You can create some value using the Grand Slam even under the "worst" scenarios.

You rarely want to just "hit" the Grand Slam, this is a bet that you want to have multiple times - Think of the approach that Fantini suggested and apply to your bankroll, but don't try to have it for $1 increment.

Using multiple horses in the payoff leg really dilutes your potential return - at least when you use multiple horses in Leg 1,2,3 you actually have a chance for multiple horses to hit the board and you aren't guaranteeing loss.

I'd suggest watching the results over a few days before jumping to conclusions based on yesterday's results alone.

One final comment, the Grand Slam starts in race 9 on Saturday. This means the payoff leg is the Ballston Spa, not the Travers. Bummer.
Say you play 2x2x2x1 and all your horses hit the board in the first 3 legs. You hit it 8 times right?
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Old 08-23-2018, 12:10 PM
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Say you play 2x2x2x1 and all your horses hit the board in the first 3 legs. You hit it 8 times right?
In that example, yes.

8 x increment bet.
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Old 08-23-2018, 02:53 PM
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Thursday August 23rd

$50 Grand Slam

6) 1 8
7) 6
8) 6
9) 5 8

$200
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Old 08-24-2018, 01:34 PM
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Try one today. Last two days have been very, very chalky

Saratoga, Race 7, $5.00 GSL 4 / 1,8 / 3 / 10 $10.00
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