NYRA Late Pick 5

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

Yesterday the late pick 5 handle at keeneland handles $430,000. At Aqueduct, the NYRA bets only pick 5 handled $45,000.

How is the plan working ?

NYRA- sign up with us or you can’t play with our ball
Patrons - don’t tell me with whom I must bet. I’ll just take my play elsewhere.

You hate NYRA and more specifically Andy. You take shots at both out of no where. Get a life.

[Alabama Stakes]

I don't hate either, just wish they were doing a better job. Isn't it foolish to lock that many bettors out of that wager ? The numbers speak for themselves. $430K vs 45K ? As far as the little guy, his disrespect for Zen , Songbird, and Winx speaks volumes. Surprisingly after Songbird won twice at Saratoga in front of his own eyes, he still had nothing good to say about her. The Sport needs heroes. It makes fans for life. Secretariat, affirmed, Seattle Slew, and the Bid got me hooked for life. Who doesn't love Winx ? 25 in a row looking like a superstar every time. He compares her to Rapid Redux.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

I don't hate either, just wish they were doing a better job. Isn't it foolish to lock that many bettors out of that wager ? The numbers speak for themselves. $430K vs 45K ? As far as the little guy, his disrespect for Zen , Songbird, and Winx speaks volumes. Surprisingly after Songbird won twice at Saratoga in front of his own eyes, he still had nothing good to say about her. The Sport needs heroes. It makes fans for life. Secretariat, affirmed, Seattle Slew, and the Bid got me hooked for life. Who doesn't love Winx ? 25 in a row looking like a superstar every time. He compares her to Rapid Redux.

Not many of us that bet actual money would consider chasing a 45K Pick 5 considering the degree of difficulty.

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by jms62

Not many of us that bet actual money would consider chasing a 45K Pick 5 considering the degree of difficulty.

If it was open to all, the handle on it would have been 300K instead of $45K in my opinion. It’s a failed experiment. Let everyone bet it.

[ScottJ]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

If it was open to all, the handle on it would have been 300K instead of $45K in my opinion. It’s a failed experiment. Let everyone bet it.

While I know this will bother some folks here on the board, the NYRA Bets Late Pick 5 is the PERFECT counter-play (counter-argument meaning "player friendly") to the crazy Rainbow 6 (single winning ticket) bets that are taking money out of the churn at so many racetracks.

NYRA is keeping their players on the inside of this bet, controlling their own pool (and with it, the full takeout), and is redistributing winnings to folks inside their own wagering network. This develops further churn and cultivates players.

Without seeing (what I will call) the re-churn figures, we cannot be sure of the replay rates.

One thing for sure is that if big players from off-the-NYRA circuit play and cash, that would leave to a cash drain (similar to a Rainbow 6) for local players. The NYRA Bets Late Pick 5 is the exact opposite.

[Alabama Stakes]

That is food for thought. Good to hear another viewpoint.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by ScottJ

While I know this will bother some folks here on the board, the NYRA Bets Late Pick 5 is the PERFECT counter-play (counter-argument meaning "player friendly") to the crazy Rainbow 6 (single winning ticket) bets that are taking money out of the churn at so many racetracks.

NYRA is keeping their players on the inside of this bet, controlling their own pool (and with it, the full takeout), and is redistributing winnings to folks inside their own wagering network. This develops further churn and cultivates players.

Without seeing (what I will call) the re-churn figures, we cannot be sure of the replay rates.

One thing for sure is that if big players from off-the-NYRA circuit play and cash, that would leave to a cash drain (similar to a Rainbow 6) for local players. The NYRA Bets Late Pick 5 is the exact opposite.

https://www.paulickreport.com/news/t...et-new-record/

[freddymo]

“The Stronach Group is creating an entirely new way to experience the races while embracing generations of new fans through world-class entertainment and events. We look forward to our Spring/Summer meet and building on our year-round program and preparing for another memorable Championship Meet in 2018-2019.”

Yeah OK who believes this drivel #Signaldumping

[ScottJ]

Originally Posted by jms62

https://www.paulickreport.com/news/t...et-new-record/

Dear JMS62 : Thank you for sharing this article from Paulick Report. Very useful to see the overall handle increase from Gulfstream during the Championship (Winter) Meet. Some questions that I know you (or any of us) will not be able to answer, but are asked none the less.

[1] During the two-week NYRA weather shut-down in January, how much did Gulfstream benefit in handle? Probably on the order of $7M-8M per day - so let's say that contributed about $70M to the difference in Gulfstream handle.

[2] How long did it take the NYRA/Gulfstream balance to resume during the third and fourth weeks in January? In other words, the weather did cost NYRA following and that had a longer term impact. Let's say that contributed another $20M in handle.

There is the $90M difference. Now, to disclose bias which is only fair, I do not wager a single dime on Gulfstream in the Winter Season. Jason, Acacia, and others try to lure me, but it just isn't my cup of tea.

If you had to bet on the future of horse racing investment, are you backing Stronach or NYRA? The harness racing game has taught us (via the Meadowlands) that when the keystone falls, the game collapses. Stronach is NOT a keystone in this discussion.

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

I don't hate either, just wish they were doing a better job. Isn't it foolish to lock that many bettors out of that wager ? The numbers speak for themselves. $430K vs 45K ? As far as the little guy, his disrespect for Zen , Songbird, and Winx speaks volumes. Surprisingly after Songbird won twice at Saratoga in front of his own eyes, he still had nothing good to say about her. The Sport needs heroes. It makes fans for life. Secretariat, affirmed, Seattle Slew, and the Bid got me hooked for life. Who doesn't love Winx ? 25 in a row looking like a superstar every time. He compares her to Rapid Redux.

Songbird is about the 20th best female horse of the past 10 years. Get over it.

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

Songbird is about the 20th best female horse of the past 10 years. Get over it.

I doubt that anyone who saw her at Saratoga would agree with you.
Where would you rate Zenyatta or Winx ?

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

I doubt that anyone who saw her at Saratoga would agree with you.
Where would you rate Zenyatta or Winx ?

Lets keep it simple. Was Songbird better then Close Hatches?

[freddymo]

Based on accomplishments Songbird was a great filly especially at 2 when I would suggest she was at least as fast as Nyquist and the at the most dominant point in her career. That said she couldn't warm up a plethora of fillies we have had the pleasure of watching. It's ok to be objective and not knock a horses accomplishments.