8/19 (DMR): Pacific Classic, DMR Oaks (G1's), DMR Handicap (G2)

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

I think he is a moral lock. Why not retire him? He's running because he is ready.

Yeah, he's a mortal lock too, though his morals are impeccable. In all seriousness, he should destroy that field.

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Yeah, he's a mortal lock too, though his morals are impeccable. In all seriousness, he should destroy that field.

Mortal. He crushes them.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Yeah, he's a mortal lock too, though his morals are impeccable. In all seriousness, he should destroy that field.

I would point out Collected has never lost on a fast track i believe...and his TF figure is only a few points below Arrogate, he easily could be a very very good horse.

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I would point out Collected has never lost on a fast track i believe...and his TF figure is only a few points below Arrogate, he easily could be a very very good horse.

I dont think he wants 10f. Would have bet him going 9f at Saratoga.
Thats the only thing i think is a bit strange..... Collected has gotten very good, so his presence alone vs Arrogate makes me wonder.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I would point out Collected has never lost on a fast track i believe...and his TF figure is only a few points below Arrogate, he easily could be a very very good horse.

I'm in no way denigrating Collected. Arrogate is simply in another level.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by 3kings

Arrogate scratched. Enter him to scare away horses from your stablemate. Racing is really crappy sometimes. You could see this for miles when collected was also entered.

Its a fake report. (I fell for it too )

[3kings]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Its a fake report. (I fell for it too )

I deleted it but still think he will scratch.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Its a fake report. (I fell for it too )

Who did he scare away?

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Who did he scare away?

No one. Its silly.

[Indian Charlie]

Now Arrogate is serving the purpose (or similar) of a rabbit for Collected?

[Rupert Pupkin]

It will be interesting to see how he runs. The reports I have heard on him are not very positive. The most respected workout report on the Southern California circuit is National Turf. They always rave about Arrogate and give him A and B+ works. They gave his most recent work a B- and said he was late switching leads which they have never seen before from him.

Considering how valuable Arrogate is, you wouldn't think Baffert would run if he wasn't doing well. So we will see what happens. If the horse runs anything close to his best he will obviously win. But considering that he ran so poorly last time and considering that unbiased people who are very familiar with the horse say that he isn't training nearly as good as normal, I would put the chances of him running a top effort at less than 50%.