American Pharoah... what's next for our new Champion? (The Haskell)

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Originally Posted by freddymo

Look Dortmund goes in TRAVERS IMO that has always been plan Baffert KNOWS AP will trounce him and Baffert KNOWS Shah would love a stallion making G! Travers on Dortmund's resume.. Dortmund is no bum and wiring the Travers is very realistic. AP has done enough till BCC Haskell MAYBE PAC Classic and last race BCC..

Originally Posted by dalakhani

But VE day wasn't a multiple grade 1 winner. Dortmund won a grade 1 at 2 years old and winning the travers would give him multiple grade 1 wins at 3. His two losses were to the first triple crown winner in almost 40 years including a respectable 3rd in the derby.

If Dortmund was by ap Indy out of some blue hen mare, I would think a win in the travers would be big for his resume. Are you basing your statement on his breeding?

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

By the time VE Day broke his maiden (2nd week of May) Dortmund had won four graded stakes and 2 Grade Is. He also finished third in the Ky Derby. There is absolutely, positively no comparison between their respective resumes if Dortmund were to win the Travers, as big an "if" as that is.

I wasn't actually comparing V.E. Day to Dortmund; I was point out that a Travers win will do the same for Dortmund as it did for him.

Dortmund's form is so fluffed up that it would embarrass anyone who actually would take a moment to delve into it.

Los Al Futurity – won a 3 horse photo against the aforementioned Firing Line (who would later outfinish him in the Derby) and the Indomitable Mr. Z. The fourth place horse would come back to win an overnight restricted stake, and is winless since. The Fifth place horse is still winless.

Robert B Lewis – Beat Firing Line by a head, the third place horse by 22 lengths, who is still, along with the rest of the field – winless.

San Vincente – Won by a length in a 10 horse field… Impressive. Except when you look at what he beat:

Prospect Park – 0 for 2 since
Bolo –1 for 3 since. just won an allowance N1X
Lord Nelson – 0 for 2 since
The Gompter - 0 for 2 since
Pain and Misery 1 for 3 since. Just took down the prestigious “Charles Taylor Derby” at Albuquerque.
Ocho Ocho Ocho - 0 for 2 since
Sir Samson – unraced since
Kenjisstorm – 1 for 2 since. The win? A maiden claiming 30K

So the field is 3 for 18 out of the San Vincente; those 3 wins coming by way of a mcl 30, a N1X, and of course the toast of Albuquerque


Santa Anita Derby- Beat 5 others, scoring in a hand ride by almost 5 lengths.
One Lucky Dane – unraced since
Bolo – See Above
Prospect Park – See Above
Cross the Line – 0 for 2 since, well beaten in a AOC affair last
Bad Read Sanchez – unraced since.

So nothing has come out of the Santa Anita Derby to win a race.

My opinion hasn't changed - This horse has been dressed up since Day 1 and hasn't beaten anything of note (save for Firing Line, who is a very nice horse, but not a champion by anyone's count) in his life.

A Travers win, however unlikely (as Nick pointed out), should do nothing to bolster his resume unless he plans to stand in Louisiana, California, or overseas.