American Pharoah with authority

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Every spring the same story plays out...

One group always wants the other group to crown [insert horse here] as a superstar while the other group wants the other group to not crown [insert horse here] as the superstar yet. A third group wants themselves to be crowned because they spotted [insert horse here] before anyone else did as the next superstar.

But ultimately the economic engine in this sport - gambling - is best served by creating logical and thorough discussions about what produces the results in horse racing. Unfortunately, the groups above struggle to do this without insulting others or assuming the other group does not ultimately want the same thing.

Smartest thing I've read in a while.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Smartest thing I've read in a while.

Clearly you read wayyyy too much of your own material.

[RHT2004]

Personally I have never been this lost regarding a horse. My heart wants him to win the Belmont. My head tells me he is dressed up. I have read some smart people say that the slop makes it hard to take anything definitive away from the Preakness. The one thing I am sure of is that AP loves the slop. His romp in Arkansas and now yesterday confirms that. So the slop helped him. He ran hard early to make the lead, and came home slow. This is understandable. Again he was never really asked to run, he just glided around the track. Some people say the fresh shooters are more dangerous, well did yesterday take anything out of AP? I'm not sure it did. I don't know what to make of this horse. I said it on here after the Derby I think he romps in the Preakness and gets beat in the Belmont. I'm not sure about that anymore. I think turning for home he is clear, who is running him down? 20 days and we find out.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

Personally I have never been this lost regarding a horse. My heart wants him to win the Belmont. My head tells me he is dressed up. I have read some smart people say that the slop makes it hard to take anything definitive away from the Preakness. The one thing I am sure of is that AP loves the slop. His romp in Arkansas and now yesterday confirms that. So the slop helped him. He ran hard early to make the lead, and came home slow. This is understandable. Again he was never really asked to run, he just glided around the track. Some people say the fresh shooters are more dangerous, well did yesterday take anything out of AP? I'm not sure it did. I don't know what to make of this horse. I said it on here after the Derby I think he romps in the Preakness and gets beat in the Belmont. I'm not sure about that anymore. I think turning for home he is clear, who is running him down? 20 days and we find out.

I also think he's one of the hardest horses to gauge I've ever seen.

[Seattleallstar]

visually impressive, I am just waiting for the speed figure to come out. But all the haters I have read have all been East Coast experts mainly from NY

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

visually impressive, I am just waiting for the speed figure to come out. But all the haters I have read have all been East Coast experts mainly from NY

102 beyer I believe.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

visually impressive, I am just waiting for the speed figure to come out. But all the haters I have read have all been East Coast experts mainly from NY

Can you show me an example of a "hater" and what they said regarding American Pharoah?

[Seattleallstar]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Can you show me an example of a "hater" and what they said regarding American Pharoah?

I guess hater is a strong word, pessimistic is more like it.

I read and saw things like

slowest preakness, bad field, Tale of Verve 2nd speaks to the quality of field, blah blah blah. Beyer speed fig will be below 100, if they do come up with a figure it will be a guess

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I also think he's one of the hardest horses to gauge I've ever seen.

Somewhere between Go For Gin and Smarty Jones.