Dortmund: Can He Be Stopped?

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

Ap ran ran a 100 beyer as a workout last week. He will be tough

Agreed.

I think, from what I've read on boards and racing sites, that people are confusing A.P. with Bayern.

A.P. doesn't need the lead, you can tell by watching him run.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Agreed.

I think, from what I've read on boards and racing sites, that people are confusing A.P. with Bayern.

A.P. doesn't need the lead, you can tell by watching him run.

We are still nearly 2 months away from the Derby, right now I just want the mystery of the short tail and name misspelling solved!

[SundayStar]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

Ap ran ran a 100 beyer as a workout last week. He will be tough

he looks awesome. i have to put him at the top of the list for now.

[senator L]

From Jennie Rees Courier Journal article:
Tale of the tail: The only flaw with American Pharoah might be that he has an inordinately short tail. But that's because on the McKathan Brothers Farm near Ocala, a fellow 2-year-old chewed off much of his tail. The culprit is believed to have been Mr. Z, another Zayat horse on the Derby trail, along with El Kabeir.

[robfla]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

We are still nearly 2 months away from the Derby, right now I just want the mystery of the short tail and name misspelling solved!

tail "mystery" solved:

on the McKathan Brothers Farm near Ocala, a fellow 2-year-old chewed off much of his tail. The culprit is believed to have been Mr. Z, another Zayat horse on the Derby trail.

"I saw him early in the year and he had a full tail," said Justin Zayat, who serves as racing manager for his dad. "I came back six months later and he had this tiny tail."

spelling "mystery" solved:

simply misspelled --- now you can start capping the derby

[Sightseek]

Thanks!

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Agreed.

I think, from what I've read on boards and racing sites, that people are confusing A.P. with Bayern.

A.P. doesn't need the lead, you can tell by watching him run.

I love your absolutes about things far from proven. The only time he didn't control the pace, he got drowned.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I love your absolutes about things far from proven. The only time he didn't control the pace, he got drowned.

I am not absolute on my assessment, but I am very confident.

Much like with how Bayern and Shared Belief turned out.

That's part of the fun of horse racing, no? Trying to foresee how a horse will perform under different conditions?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Agreed.

I think, from what I've read on boards and racing sites, that people are confusing A.P. with Bayern.

A.P. doesn't need the lead, you can tell by watching him run.

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I am not absolute on my assessment, but I am very confident.

Much like with how Bayern and Shared Belief turned out.

That's part of the fun of horse racing, no? Trying to foresee how a horse will perform under different conditions?

You make absolute statements, you made plenty about CA Chrome that proved incorrect, and that is what I find amusing.

I think he will rate successfully is hardly what you said.

I think he may prove an enormous disappointment. I hope he races enough for that to be proven one way or another. I'm skeptical of that too.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You make absolute statements, you made plenty about CA Chrome that proved incorrect, and that is what I find amusing.

I think he will rate successfully is hardly what you said.

I think he may prove an enormous disappointment. I hope he races enough for that to be proven one way or another. I'm skeptical of that too.

Chrome busted up his foot in the Belmont. Injury and bad racing luck are not that easy to predict in a race scenario.

You knew that though.

I'm not sure what other predictions I had about Chrome besides him being a can't lose in the Belmont, but it goes without saying that any horse can lose any race if they get hurt.

As for AP, it's pretty likely he will rate, as I can already see that he does rate on the lead. Again, you know that and are just being difficult about semantics.

I agree about being skeptical on his chances of having a long career. I don't know how good he is yet either, but he just might be even better than his hype.

I saw his Rebel a bit differently than apparently how most others saw it.

[blackthroatedwind]

You had a bad opinion about CA Chrome. I have lots of specifically bad opinions. Admitting them, trying to figure out why you were wrong, and not dreaming up bs excuses, is a good path to take.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You had a bad opinion about CA Chrome. I have lots of specifically bad opinions. Admitting them, trying to figure out why you were wrong, and not dreaming up bs excuses, is a good path to take.

I am perfectly fine in admitting my mistakes.

My mistake with the Belmont was in not foreseeing him ripping up his hoof coming out of the gate.

IMO, a very bad opinion is one that sees Tonalist as a better racehorse than California Chrome.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I am perfectly fine in admitting my mistakes.

My mistake with the Belmont was in not foreseeing him ripping up his hoof coming out of the gate.

IMO, a very bad opinion is one that sees Tonalist as a better racehorse than California Chrome.

You don't bet, right?

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You don't bet, right?

Not anymore, correct.

Which, of course, invalidates everything I say.

Because, without betting, I have no brain.

One could go the other way though and say I'm less likely to be biased because I don't have money riding on my opinions.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Not anymore, correct.

Which, of course, invalidates everything I say.

Because, without betting, I have no brain.

One could go the other way though and say I'm less likely to be biased because I don't have money riding on my opinions.

Whether or not you have a functioning brain is debatable given your posts here, but forgetting that, you make comments to suit a poor argument. Whether or not Tonalist is a better horse than CA Chrome is also open to debate, what is not open to debate is that he ran a much better race in the Belmont Stakes. Good opinions for those of us that bet are about having them at the right time, whether or not one horse is ultimately "better" than another.

I wish you bet...but you don't.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Whether or not you have a functioning brain is debatable given your posts here, but forgetting that, you make comments to suit a poor argument. Whether or not Tonalist is a better horse than CA Chrome is also open to debate, what is not open to debate is that he ran a much better race in the Belmont Stakes. Good opinions for those of us that bet are about having them at the right time, whether or not one horse is ultimately "better" than another.

I wish you bet...but you don't.

I'm glad we at least agree that Chrome ran the better race in the Belmont (relative to Tonalist).

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I'm glad we at least agree that Chrome ran the better race in the Belmont (relative to Tonalist).

Hate to lose this precious gem of stupidity.

[cakes44]

Hard to defend that CC ran better than Tonalist in the Belmont, by about 1.5 lengths. However, anyone saying Tonalist is a better horse than CC must be completely ignoring CC waxing Tonalist in the BCC and at a distance that is actually run in North America. You might as well say VE Day is a better horse than Tonalist if you're gonna say Tonalist is better than CC.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by cakes44

Hard to defend that CC ran better than Tonalist in the Belmont, by about 1.5 lengths. However, anyone saying Tonalist is a better horse than CC must be completely ignoring CC waxing Tonalist in the BCC and at a distance that is actually run in North America. You might as well say VE Day is a better horse than Tonalist if you're gonna say Tonalist is better than CC.

He had a torn up hoof.