what is wrong with lezcano?

[ontheoutside]

everytime you see it a horse is tugging,wanting to go,but no jockey after jockey hold him up thinking there saving him?saving him for what a empty horse 90 % of the time
you got a horse that wants to run let him go

if it were me he wouldnt ride another one of my horses if i was a owner after that ride
11 race saratoga 8-16
terrible

[pointman]

He has definitely put in some rides that I have not been happy about, but overall he has ridden very well at this meet. Here is my question, and I will say that the 4 winning that race would have been much better for pmac and myself, with the fractions that the 2 was allowed to get away with, do you really think that anyone was beating that horse or that anyone from the mid to back of the pack was really getting anywhere in the money?

[XIIPointStables]

Wow, I thought this was going to be some sort of sarcastic thread.

Didn't that horse take a bad step in the 11th?

Guy has been solid. Agree with something Nick said last weekend on ATR - he's a terrific judge of pace. I feel like he has his horse in good position as much as any of the guys riding in Saratoga this summer, especially on the turf.

Go watch his ride on Lubash and then tell me he's "terrible."

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by XIIPointStables

Wow, I thought this was going to be some sort of sarcastic thread.

Didn't that horse take a bad step in the 11th?

Guy has been solid. Agree with something Nick said last weekend on ATR - he's a terrific judge of pace. I feel like he has his horse in good position as much as any of the guys riding in Saratoga this summer, especially on the turf.

Go watch his ride on Lubash and then tell me he's "terrible."

This. That 4 is slow and she almost went down on the backstretch. The idea that he had something to do with her losing is laughable.

Lezcano is the only guy in the discussion with Dominguez as the best day in, day out rider in the country.

[odbaxter]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

This. That 4 is slow and she almost went down on the backstretch. The idea that he had something to do with her losing is laughable.

Lezcano is the only guy in the discussion with Dominguez as the best day in, day out rider in the country.

Wow! The only guy?

I would have to leave. Bejerano as pretty consistent, reliable and. Good on the grass. Agree that Dominguez is seperating himself in New York.

I also think that there are a lot of good "go to" jocks. The horses make these guys and the better the results, the better the mounts.

[Dahoss]

I'm a big Lezcano fan, but I think Joel Rosario has really had a good meet and is riding second best after Dominguez. Then it's probably Junior Alvarado (who I have been way wrong about so far) or Lezcano.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by odbaxter

Wow! The only guy?

I would have to leave. Bejerano as pretty consistent, reliable and. Good on the grass. Agree that Dominguez is seperating himself in New York.

I also think that there are a lot of good "go to" jocks. The horses make these guys and the better the results, the better the mounts.

Lezcano is better than Bejarano and it's not even close. Bejarano beats up on terrible competition in California and gets pretty much every live mount now that Rosario is gone, while Lezcano is consistently holding his own in the strongest colony in racing despite not being first call for a powerhouse barn. Pletcher goes to Castellano and Velazquez, Chad Brown goes to Dominguez first generally. He gets some good mounts from Clement and Mott, but even those he has to split with Leparoux (Clement) and Alvarado (Mott).

Bejarano last 12 months: 23% $1.69 ROI, 21% $1.68 ROI turf
Lezcano last 12 months: 19% $2.12 ROI, 20% $2.07 ROI turf

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I'm a big Lezcano fan, but I think Joel Rosario has really had a good meet and is riding second best after Dominguez. Then it's probably Junior Alvarado (who I have been way wrong about so far) or Lezcano.

I agree that these are the top four riding in NY right now.

[Kasept]

How about Alan Garcia with Photon in Thursday's 8th? Breaks in great position and takes back after sensing the sizzling :24 opening quarter..

[keithting]

Originally Posted by Kasept

How about Alan Garcia with Photon in Thursday's 8th? Breaks in great position and takes back after sensing the sizzling :24 opening quarter..

That's my gripe with these jocks today - No apparent sense of pace -

Many times a race is stolen on the front-end - This did not seem to happen as much in the past

[NTamm1215]

It is a tad ironic that this topic came up about a ride in Race 11 after the rides he put forth in the 9th and 10th.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Lezcano last 12 months: 19% $2.12 ROI, 20% $2.07 ROI turf

Going back to 2005, Lezcano's ROI with turf routers is a lot better than that $2.07

He had insane year after insane year after insane year with turf routers before he started riding regularly in NY.

[Travis Stone]

Jockey complaints are usually the sign of a tough meet and discouraged horseplayers. Saratoga has been tough this year. The ride is an easy thing to blame.

That said, I feel in general the rides I've been seeing this summer at Saratoga and beyond have been far from some of the greatest ever.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

It is a tad ironic that this topic came up about a ride in Race 11 after the rides he put forth in the 9th and 10th.

Kind of a 3 race survey of every kind of ride imaginable... Front end theivery... Masterful rally from back... 'Where you goin'?' heel clip...

[Alabama Stakes]

the thing is, you never know what he's gonna do at any point in the race. He has some closers into the race early, and snatches some speed types and tries to get them to pass.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Jockey complaints are usually the sign of a tough meet and discouraged horseplayers. Saratoga has been tough this year. The ride is an easy thing to blame.

That said, I feel in general the rides I've been seeing this summer at Saratoga and beyond have been far from some of the greatest ever.

I agree with this. It's easy to bame the rider when you're discouraged and I'm guilty of it myself.

But it's hard not to be critical, when you watch these guys totally unprepared or with no game plan at all out there. It's just flat out laziness and if you or I came to work that unprepared everyday we'd be gone within a week.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I agree with this. It's easy to bame the rider when you're discouraged and I'm guilty of it myself.

But it's hard not to be critical, when you watch these guys totally unprepared or with no game plan at all out there. It's just flat out laziness and if you or I came to work that unprepared everyday we'd be gone within a week.

Bailey always seemed to do his homework which was a huge advantage. It's no difference then any other situation the people who are best prepared have the most success.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I agree with this. It's easy to bame the rider when you're discouraged and I'm guilty of it myself.

But it's hard not to be critical, when you watch these guys totally unprepared or with no game plan at all out there. It's just flat out laziness and if you or I came to work that unprepared everyday we'd be gone within a week.

It is always great when the jocks are walking to the paddock and need to check the number on their arm because they have already forgotten or never knew in the first place.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Bailey always seemed to do his homework which was a huge advantage. It's no difference then any other situation the people who are best prepared have the most success.

Bailey was the best jockey I ever rode. We were in the paddock before a race at Saratoga where he was always really locked in and he asks me what I thought about the race. I said what do you have in mind? He had ridden a few of the other horses before, some of them a long time ago and didnt even show on the page. He proceeds to give me a quick rundown of how he sees the race unfolding based on the form and his memory of the other horses and how the track had been playing. He basically wanted to get an inside trip, covered up behind the pacesetters because he didnt think one was sound because he was getting out with him last race and the other wouldnt go 1 1/8th and that the inside was good that day. Of course the race sets up exactly as he thought, the leader got out in the stretch, bumped the rival outside him and we came right up the inside and won.

So the next day I ride Chavez on a live horse dropping in class and stretching out. (This is when he was a top rider). He did the look at the number on the shoulder coming into the paddock, I told him that the filly only had one run and not to get stopped when he made his move with her. He proceeds to go 8 wide in the first turn and 7 wide in the 2nd turn. Naturally the horse tires in the last 1/8th and comes in midpack. I ask him why he went so wide? He tells me that I said not to get stopped and that she cant get the distance. I said you are right, she can get 1 1/8th but no she cant get the 1 1/4 that she just ran. Of course he had no idea what I was talking about...

Ironically after winning the Eclipse Award that year he fired his agent because his wife said Jorge should be getting the same mounts as Bailey got...

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Bailey was the best jockey I ever rode. We were in the paddock before a race at Saratoga where he was always really locked in and he asks me what I thought about the race. I said what do you have in mind? He had ridden a few of the other horses before, some of them a long time ago and didnt even show on the page. He proceeds to give me a quick rundown of how he sees the race unfolding based on the form and his memory of the other horses and how the track had been playing. He basically wanted to get an inside trip, covered up behind the pacesetters because he didnt think one was sound because he was getting out with him last race and the other wouldnt go 1 1/8th and that the inside was good that day. Of course the race sets up exactly as he thought, the leader got out in the stretch, bumped the rival outside him and we came right up the inside and won.

I'm glad you shared this.