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Old 06-21-2011, 07:27 PM
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Pretty much any Euro (Goldikova excepted) who's made their way to the USA for the Breeders Cup the last five or so years has been overrated.

Except Vale of York. He was special.
You should say pretty much any Euro trained by Aidan O'Brien has been overrated.
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Old 06-21-2011, 07:32 PM
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You should say pretty much any Euro trained by Aidan O'Brien has been overrated.
Not only is that odd ... but it goes back further than Formulator allows.
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Old 06-21-2011, 07:49 PM
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Not only is that odd ... but it goes back further than Formulator allows.
I started a thread during your hiatus about how bad O'Brien has been after Viscount Nelson and Master of Hounds lit up the world on Belmont day. He's been really, really bad.
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Old 06-21-2011, 08:13 PM
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I thought Mineshaft was overated during his horse of the year season. He loved Belmont winning the Suburban, Woodward, and Jockey Club Gold Cup. He beat alot of horses that had less than stellar records. Although Evening Attire and Volponi were quality horses. I think he retired sound after Jockey Club and chose not to run in BC Classic.
I thought the top older males that year, in no order, were Congaree, Medaglia d'Oro, Perfect Drift, Candy Ride, Pleasantly Perfect, Mineshaft, and Milwaukee Brew. During that course of that season, Mineshaft only faced one of the other six in that group (Perfect Drift) and he lost that race. I think it's fair to say that when a horse runs in the races he ran in during the fall, you can't say they are ducking anyone. At the same time, I think it's also fair to say that he benefitted from the others facing and beating each other on several different occassions and softening their respective resumes and like you, I also felt like the decision not to run in the BC was made after he won the JCGC and the connections felt that they were in the lead for HOY. I felt that they took a gamble that Congaree or Medaglia d'Oro wouldn't win the Classic and maybe take HOY from them and it paid off.
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Old 06-21-2011, 08:25 PM
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I thought the top older males that year, in no order, were Congaree, Medaglia d'Oro, Perfect Drift, Candy Ride, Pleasantly Perfect, Mineshaft, and Milwaukee Brew.
Big deal. He ran in the majority of the big handicap races. More so than the other did. He gave weight to pretty respectable horses - and beat them all but once - always running strong against the clock. That is a very strong collection of handicap horses right there - and the vote for HOY was not close.

Look who Cigar beat in the vast majority of his wins - and Mineshaft was about as fast as Cigar. They both had the same perfect running style and both were very tactical horses.

Other than RandallScott and a few other Thoro-Graph fans - no one overrates Mineshaft.
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Old 06-21-2011, 08:59 PM
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You should say pretty much any Euro trained by Aidan O'Brien has been overrated.
Yes, that would have been much more accurate.
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Old 06-21-2011, 09:20 PM
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Big deal. He ran in the majority of the big handicap races. More so than the other did. He gave weight to pretty respectable horses - and beat them all but once - always running strong against the clock. That is a very strong collection of handicap horses right there - and the vote for HOY was not close.

Look who Cigar beat in the vast majority of his wins - and Mineshaft was about as fast as Cigar. They both had the same perfect running style and both were very tactical horses.

Other than RandallScott and a few other Thoro-Graph fans - no one overrates Mineshaft.
You consistently sing his praises yet I overrate him? How does that work?
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Old 06-21-2011, 09:38 PM
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You consistently sing his praises yet I overrate him? How does that work?
Because, unlike a certain moron, I don't think he was as good as horses like Alysheba, Easy Goer, Sunday Silence, Skip Away, Cigar, Holy Bull, and Ghostzapper.
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Old 06-21-2011, 09:42 PM
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Because, unlike a certain moron, I don't think he was as good as horses like Alysheba, Easy Goer, Sunday Silence, Skip Away, Cigar, Holy Bull, and Ghostzapper.
I've said since 2000....I count nothing GZap did. Is Barry Bonds the best of all time too?...I won't compare him to the others but he is every bit the best I've seen.
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Old 06-21-2011, 11:14 PM
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I've said since 2000....I count nothing GZap did. Is Barry Bonds the best of all time too?...I won't compare him to the others but he is every bit the best I've seen.
Why do you count nothing that Ghostzapper did?
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Why do you count nothing that Ghostzapper did?
Can you not tell by the analogy he drew?
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Old 06-22-2011, 12:26 AM
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Can you not tell by the analogy he drew?
Ghostzapper was trained by Bobby Frankel. I thought we was immune from the jucing accusations.
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Old 06-22-2011, 02:39 AM
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Big day for Ramon Dominguez at Canada's AJAX Downs.

3 wins on the card for Ramon, so far he's won the 1st, 5th, and 7th.
You know, that Dominguez must be a good outfit. Has a horse at Woodbine Friday afternoon.
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Old 06-22-2011, 07:38 AM
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I've said since 2000....I count nothing GZap did. Is Barry Bonds the best of all time too?...I won't compare him to the others but he is every bit the best I've seen.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't your longtime signature on this site state that Mineshaft was the best horse since Spectacular Bid?

I'd say that calling him better than Sunday Silence, Easy Goer, Holy Bull, and Skip Away is overrating him a bit.
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Old 06-22-2011, 10:48 AM
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't your longtime signature on this site state that Mineshaft was the best horse since Spectacular Bid?

I'd say that calling him better than Sunday Silence, Easy Goer, Holy Bull, and Skip Away is overrating him a bit.
His career might not be as impressive as those but yes I still believe he was that good. Sorry to disappoint.
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Old 06-22-2011, 11:14 AM
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His career might not be as impressive as those but yes I still believe he was that good. Sorry to disappoint.
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Old 06-22-2011, 01:41 PM
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