NY - Bel P4 payouts

[randallscott35]

I should really play more of them. I don't like signers is one reason. (Not that I expect to hit tons of them)

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by cakes44

Nope. Just don't play multi-race wagers.

I do play Pick-3s and Pick4s on occasion, but they make up a very small percentage of my bets.
However, that's not because I don't understand the payout structure, but rather because given my lack of handicapping success the last two years, I'm lucky if I can find three winners in an entire meet, let alone in consecutive races.

[gales0678]

folks look at the dicatomy of the early p4 from yesterday to today

yesterday as has been stated the early p4 paid $9,491 , the parlay was over $23k

today's early p4 paid $14,466 and the parlay was just about $3900

surley you can see the difference today's p4 paid about 3.7 (370%) x the parlay yesterdays p4 parlay only returned around .41 (41 %)

it also can be argued that today's winning combo was easier to come up with than yesterday's . What can be surmized by this ....there was some very welll hidden $$$ in the pools yesterday , especially the early pick 4 and 3 , sharp $$$$ on some sharp horses took down the payoff in yesterday's pools

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by gales0678

folks look at the dicatomy of the early p4 from yesterday to today

yesterday as has been stated the early p4 paid $9,491 , the parlay was over $23k

today's early p4 paid $14,466 and the parlay was just about $3900

surley you can see the difference today's p4 paid about 3.7 (370%) x the parlay yesterdays p4 parlay only returned around .41 (41 %)

it also can be argued that today's winning combo was easier to come up with than yesterday's . What can be surmized by this ....there was some very welll hidden $$$ in the pools yesterday , especially the early pick 4 and 3 , sharp $$$$ on some sharp horses took down the payoff in yesterday's pools

So sad it was maybe a few hundred bucks Gales..Maybe just one or two guys..You make it like the syndicate was in the know?

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by freddymo

So sad it was maybe a few hundred bucks Gales..Maybe just one or two guys..You make it like the syndicate was in the know?

i think someone made a smart play freddy , they liked their horse a lot and did not want the public to see the $$$ in the win pool , nothing more nothing less

[pointman]

Originally Posted by gales0678

folks look at the dicatomy of the early p4 from yesterday to today

yesterday as has been stated the early p4 paid $9,491 , the parlay was over $23k

today's early p4 paid $14,466 and the parlay was just about $3900

surley you can see the difference today's p4 paid about 3.7 (370%) x the parlay yesterdays p4 parlay only returned around .41 (41 %)

it also can be argued that today's winning combo was easier to come up with than yesterday's . What can be surmized by this ....there was some very welll hidden $$$ in the pools yesterday , especially the early pick 4 and 3 , sharp $$$$ on some sharp horses took down the payoff in yesterday's pools

Do you believe that there was a second shooter?

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by pointman

Do you believe that there was a second shooter?

history kind of shows that no? do you really think it was all oswald?

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by gales0678

history kind of shows that no? do you really think it was all oswald?

As someone who went to the actual site and stood there in the depository a few years ago, and saw how easy a shot it was, there is no question in my mind he acted alone. It was a joke, a perfect angle at a slow speed. Please go to the museum up in Dallas and you will think the same.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by gales0678

history kind of shows that no? do you really think it was all oswald?

That got a laugh out of me. Seriously, though, I am no expert but logic dictates to me that pk4 pools can be out of whack either way as horses are not necessarily bet the same way in a win pool as they are in a multi race pool. Since you cannot see willpays of pk4's, bettors cannot see the board to see over and underlayed combinations to adjust the pool to the right prices.

Also, horses can be used in the pk4 differently than the win pool, some favorites can be heavily used as singles and other horses can be used less in the pk4 than in the win pool. Personally, I just don't think there is any conspiracy here.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by pointman

That got a laugh out of me. Seriously, though, I am no expert but logic dictates to me that pk4 pools can be out of whack either way as horses are not necessarily bet the same way in a win pool as they are in a multi race pool. Since you cannot see willpays of pk4's, bettors cannot see the board to see over and underlayed combinations to adjust the pool to the right prices.

Also, horses can be used in the pk4 differently than the win pool than the pk4 pool, some favorites can be heavily used as singles and other horses can be used less in the pk4 than in the win pool. Personally, I just don't think there is any conspiracy here.

i never said conspiracy , i said "sharp money" , perhaps inside connections, certain barns like to bet and they may have learned that in order to make a good payout on a maiden they have to bury him in the exotics. If they bet him heavy in the win pool the whole world sees it and can adjust

there is nothing illegal or wrong going on , a bettor that has info on a horse can bet anyway they see fit

there were 2 madien winners in the early P4 yesterday that were hard to come up with unless you spread deep in those legs .......someone could have perhaps had one of those maidens singled and then spread deep in the other legs , there's no conspiracy , it's just good betting