Zenyatta: Slayer of Scoundrels - Page 4

randallscott35 · #61 04-10-2010, 03:31 PM

95 Beyer.

Rileyoriley · #62 04-10-2010, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Honu

I love it , blame the mare because no trainer has one he thinks is good enough to beat her and enter up. Trainers run against her because the second and third place monies are too good to take a shot of passing up.
Zenyatta runs , not her fault that there arent any trainers or owners with good enough horses to beat her , or do they have some superstar in the making that is being hidden behind a bush at the 1/4 pole waiting to jump in and get her lol.
Until they beat her she is the best in her field bar none.

DaTruth · #63 04-10-2010, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by prudery

There is however more evidence that she will than she will not .

This evidence being? She has never raced against males on real dirt, yet you are ready to reach back to years past to find male horses that can challenge her on real dirt.

"You would have to reach in time and quality to find a FEW that I would question that she could beat . . ."

LARHAGE · #64 04-10-2010, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DaTruth

Do you really think that z could beat Summer Bird at 9-12 furlongs on real dirt?

I do, and giving him weight.

LARHAGE · #65 04-10-2010, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DaTruth

That is crazy. z has NEVER beaten males on real dirt, so it is pure speculation to say she could beat Summer Bird or any other top male horses in training on real dirt. On the other hand, Rachel has already proven she can beat Summer Bird and other top male horses in training on real dirt.

Summer Bird is being used as some sort of gauge of greatness? I'm still trying to figure out the other "top'' males Rachel beat, I'm assuming the great Macho Again and Bullsbay? Zenyatta would beat those two in a canter, and Summer Bird would hardly be a horse they would fear.

DaTruth · #66 04-10-2010, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by LARHAGE

Summer Bird is being used as some sort of gauge of greatness? I'm still trying to figure out the other "top'' males Rachel beat, I'm assuming the great Macho Again and Bullsbay? Zenyatta would beat those two in a canter, and Summer Bird would hardly be a horse they would fear.

Like she beat those Apple Blossom slugs in a canter? LOL. At least Rachel has a record against males on real dirt. All the Zaniacs have is speculation.

cannonman · #67 04-10-2010, 06:07 PM

And a sparkiling resume, David.

Merlinsky · #68 04-10-2010, 07:22 PM

Midnight Lute's first foal is out of Tough Tiz's Sis. I'd be shocked if she doesn't end up being pretty massive. Watch her look like Megahertz.

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

I'm glad you mentioned this.

If I had a say in the matter the Met Mile would be the one race I would like to see Zenyatta run in this year.

My guess, before the BC anyways, is the best we'll get is the Delaware Handicap.

I'm guessing for the rest of the year:

Milady
Stephen Foster or Fleur De Lis
Hollywood Gold Cup or Delaware Handicap
Lady's Secret
Breeder's Cup

Don't you mean the Zenyatta?

DaTruth · #69 04-10-2010, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by cannonman

And a sparkiling resume, David.

How do you know my first name?

LARHAGE · #70 04-10-2010, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DaTruth

Like she beat those Apple Blossom slugs in a canter? LOL. At least Rachel has a record against males on real dirt. All the Zaniacs have is speculation.

You think she struggled? I thought she was going to start bucking and playing around when she hit the front, not bad earning a 95 beyer in
a workout.

prudery · #71 04-10-2010, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DaTruth

Like she beat those Apple Blossom slugs in a canter? LOL. At least Rachel has a record against males on real dirt. All the Zaniacs have is speculation.

She beat those slugs just the way she should have--without exertation or flash .

You are loaded for bear with speculalion--this is 2010--so far Rachel has not beaten males on real dirt, and what finished behind her equally qualifies as slug material , if you like such insults .

The mare that finished in front of her surely would have been a slug if she finished behind Zenyatta on any surface --she gained credibility only because she finished in front of Rachel .

You'd better save those LOLs until the book is complete dear--unless egg on your face is becoming--and it may be ...

Honu · #72 04-10-2010, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DaTruth

Like she beat those Apple Blossom slugs in a canter? LOL. At least Rachel has a record against males on real dirt. All the Zaniacs have is speculation.

Nope. All we have is an undefeated mare who showed up and put up. R.A. is a good filly but she has been beat and Zenyatta hasnt and until someone shows up and beats her R.A. will still be a horse that has lost races and Zenyatta will still be ...well unbeatin.

ateamstupid · #73 04-10-2010, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Honu

Nope. All we have is an undefeated mare who showed up and put up. R.A. is a good filly but she has been beat and Zenyatta hasnt and until someone shows up and beats her R.A. will still be a horse that has lost races and Zenyatta will still be ...well unbeatin.

And wins and losses have nothing to do with level of competition of course. Peppers Pride was undefeated too, it doesn't make her better than certain horses who have lost.

prudery · #74 04-10-2010, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

And wins and losses have nothing to do with level of competition of course. Peppers Pride was undefeated too, it doesn't make her better than certain horses who have lost.

You need not be pedantic and preachy--we all know Man P' War, Secretariat and other supreme race horses got beaten, and that does not make them inferior to Pepper's Pride OR Zenyatta .

You know what Honu was saying--that Rachel has shown she can be beaten, and Zenyatta has competed with the best that ran against her and has not been beaten yet . .

dalakhani · #75 04-10-2010, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

95 Beyer.

Hmmmmmmmmm....

There was a quote I remembered reading on the Eskendereya thread. It went something like:

"beyers are for clowns. 88"

Who said that?

Honu · #76 04-10-2010, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

And wins and losses have nothing to do with level of competition of course. Peppers Pride was undefeated too, it doesn't make her better than certain horses who have lost.

Again you cannot fault the mare because no one has a horse that can beat her , yet.

2Hot4TV · #77 04-11-2010, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DaTruth

How do you know my first name?

You forgot that special nite already, or is it denial?

2Hot4TV · #78 04-11-2010, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

I'm glad you mentioned this.

If I had a say in the matter the Met Mile would be the one race I would like to see Zenyatta run in this year.

My guess, before the BC anyways, is the best we'll get is the Delaware Handicap.

I'm guessing for the rest of the year:

Milady
Stephen Foster or Fleur De Lis
Hollywood Gold Cup or Delaware Handicap
Lady's Secret
Breeder's Cup

I just think that Zenyatta's running style against the best on Belmonts one turn mile would be the great race to watch as she rolls down that long stretch and the others with no place to hide, only to run faster than the preditor.

westcoastinvader · #79 04-13-2010, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Honu

I love it , blame the mare because no trainer has one he thinks is good enough to beat her and enter up. Trainers run against her because the second and third place monies are too good to take a shot of passing up.
Zenyatta runs , not her fault that there arent any trainers or owners with good enough horses to beat her , or do they have some superstar in the making that is being hidden behind a bush at the 1/4 pole waiting to jump in and get her lol.
Until they beat her she is the best in her field bar none.