As expected Crist is the man about the girl - Page 6

#**101** 09-04-2009, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

Why wouldnt you? What do you have to lose?

pud size.

freddymo · #**102** 09-04-2009, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

pud size.

You think Rachel has a spare part? Maybe she is like that South American racing in womens races. Maybe that is why she crushes filly.. Rachel is really Robert..

#**103** 09-04-2009, 09:55 AM

It's up to Moss really. If they ship for the Beldame, which is highly unlikely, then Stonewall Jackson will ship for the Distaff/Classic. But then you have Moss who will probably chicken out after Rachel crushes Zenyatta at Belmont and he'll point her to the Distaff.

It just really sucks that two of the best horses in the sport are owned by such monumental a.ssholes.

Danzig · #**104** 09-04-2009, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

It's up to Moss really. If they ship for the Beldame, which is highly unlikely, then Stonewall Jackson will ship for the Distaff/Classic. But then you have Moss who will probably chicken out after Rachel crushes Zenyatta at Belmont and he'll point her to the Distaff.

It just really sucks that two of the best horses in the sport are owned by such monumental a.ssholes.

Antitrust32 · #**105** 09-04-2009, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

There are plenty of legit reasons not to run her on Pro Ride. If DrugS thinks she would be buried there is a dam good reason he is saying it. Sometimes horseman and handicappers need to work together. A friend of mine is a terrific handicapper and some horseman use him for advise. I have seen were his advised has made the trainers look very smart.

DrugS maybe a lot of things but he is no dummy when he says she would be trounced on Pro Ride there is some merit to it. I don't know if he is right but I know he is just not saying it to be an idiot.

jk DrugS

Revidere · #**106** 09-04-2009, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by GBBob

I could care less about being on a Top 100 list. That's not the point..it's a personal agenda he has about the surface..nothing more, nothing less

Agreed. And that personal agenda has zero to do with Rachel Alexandra. It has to do with defending Curlin's legacy. A horse who was over the top by Breeder's Cup day. The track was the excuse going into last year and it was the excuse coming out of the race. The track had nothing to do with his loss. He made a huge move to get the lead and hit the wall. Horses who dislike track surfaces do not handle it in fits and starts. I never bought Skip Away's "track" excuse after the 1998 Classic. The horse was beaten four lengths and it had to be the track. He was done in by two long hard campaigns that saw him post bullets in 59 of 64 published works.

By Cup day Curlin was not the same horse. All out to beat Past the Point, less than scintillating effort in the JCGC. It's funny, when it's a horse we like (Curlin) it's considered "professional" or "workmanlike". When it's a horse the majority of people on this board have fallen out of favor with (Zenyatta) it's "boring"

I think he should be at Santa Anita with Rachel. Zenyatta notwithstanding.

Bigsmc · #**107** 09-04-2009, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

So, just curious....

How many of you really honestly think having the Breeder's Cup at Santa Anita was a good idea?

Not me. Didn't bet a dime last year and won't do so again this year.

Bobby Fischer · #**108** 09-04-2009, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Revidere

By Cup day Curlin was not the same horse.

This is the problem with Jackson's sour grapes(and many fans) - Curlin's performance is being judged by his finish position, when in actuality he was compromised by Robbie Albara'duh' while battling two of the world's best horses. It was a extremely strong effort. In spite of the sentiment, Curlin's BCC was actually an indication that Curlin did in fact handle the surface! You simply /can't do that much running on a surface you don't handle. Had he received a world class ride these horses would have dueled late with significantly different energy than what we saw.

Curlin's BCC was arguably his best race of 2008, depending on how you rate his DWC.

I do agree however that some of Curlin's late season efforts were not as impressive as Curlin on cup day or Curlin's better lifetime efforts. Interestingly(well only to a racing-nerd), Curlin's Man O'War turf effort was also highly misconstrued by the public. Red Rocks was able to effectively set an easy pace, well clear of the dueling cheapies. Albaraduh went wider and earlier (foreshadowing the Classic to anyone who would listen). While critics said he hated the turf, he had just run equal to Red Rocks while that rival received his optimum trip. Again counter-indicative of hating the surface.
Curlin almost certainly had a slight preference for dirt, but the deciding factor in the Breeders Cup Classic was not Curlin's preference, rather it was the level of genuine quality in the older handicap division vs the world class intermediate turf stars.

Rachel gives every indication that like most great horses she is versatile enough to run a big race on most surfaces.

#**109** 09-04-2009, 12:41 PM

CSC · #**110** 09-04-2009, 01:16 PM

Indian Charlie · #**111** 09-04-2009, 01:49 PM

This discussion is about as fruitful as a discussion between Pro Lifers and Pro Choicers.

Come to think of it, those two discussions are pretty similar, save the blood throwing and stuff.

Smooth Operator · #**112** 09-04-2009, 02:48 PM

Asiatic Boy, that is

Sharp in his first start in the country while spotting Macho five pounds

Came back with a good effort going ten

Yeah, he missed the Whitney cuz of fever ... but has thrown a couple nice works at Toga since.

Trainer good with layoff horses

Took a longer race in Dubai carrying 126

1. Asiatic Boy
2. Macho Again

"Down goes [Rachel]"

hockey2315 · #**113** 09-04-2009, 02:50 PM

Asiatic Boy will not only need Rachel to fall over, but several other horses to fall over to have a shot.

NTamm1215 · #**114** 09-04-2009, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

Asiatic Boy will not only need Rachel to fall over, but several other horses to fall over to have a shot.

Are you kidding me, didn't you see how he gamely dug in for second in the Suburban after putting away Finallymadeit?

After reading the post about how Asiatic Boy was going to win, I felt like Allicansayis How?

NT

CSC · #**115** 09-04-2009, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

"Down goes [Rachel]"

Not in this race.

CSC · #**116** 09-04-2009, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Are you kidding me, didn't you see how he gamely dug in for second in the Suburban after putting away Finallymadeit?

After reading the post about how Asiatic Boy was going to win, I felt like Allicansayis How?

NT

You have to wonder what Da'Tara is doing in here, is he here to set the pace for Cool Coal Man not that it makes any difference with RA's tactical speed or if he can even make it there.

Cannon Shell · #**117** 09-04-2009, 04:33 PM

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/rac...p-Classic.aspx

Merlinsky · #**118** 09-04-2009, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

It's up to Moss really. If they ship for the Beldame, which is highly unlikely, then Stonewall Jackson will ship for the Distaff/Classic. But then you have Moss who will probably chicken out after Rachel crushes Zenyatta at Belmont and he'll point her to the Distaff.

It just really sucks that two of the best horses in the sport are owned by such monumental a.ssholes.

I wouldn't say this about the Mosses but I'm sure Jess figures a monument to him is just around the corner. I say we put it at Santa Anita.

Merlinsky · #**119** 09-04-2009, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

"Down goes [Rachel]"

I know the cracks people've been making like this are meant to be a joke but geez, God help us if she broke down or something. I just can't find it funny as a way to say 'how could she lose?' Even when people say it about a jockey as in 'if only he doesn't fall off so-and-so will win' it makes me consider just how precarious things are, esp in the light of Straight and Douglas.

Yup totally being a wet blanket but there it is.

Indian Charlie · #**120** 09-04-2009, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Merlinsky

I know the cracks people've been making like this are meant to be a joke but geez, God help us if she broke down or something. I just can't find it funny as a way to say 'how could she lose?' Even when people say it about a jockey as in 'if only he doesn't fall off so-and-so will win' it makes me consider just how precarious things are, esp in the light of Straight and Douglas.

Yup totally being a wet blanket but there it is.

Nah, not at all. Smooth Operator is a tard.