The Gods have finally spoken...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

I did.
Cant find anything.

Please dont strike me if I come to a DT event.

I shall not strike you but may have Scavs drive you through rough sections of town

[estreetposse]

I figured as much...but maybe this will entertain a few folks here.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

left hand turns

that makes sense, now that you say that. do you agree with the folks who think the horses should train in opposite directions from day to day? i don't see what it would hurt.
like the local gym, walk to the left today...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

that makes sense, now that you say that. do you agree with the folks who think the horses should train in opposite directions from day to day? i don't see what it would hurt.
like the local gym, walk to the left today...

I suppose it couldnt hurt

Originally Posted by Danzig

that makes sense, now that you say that. do you agree with the folks who think the horses should train in opposite directions from day to day? i don't see what it would hurt.
like the local gym, walk to the left today...

I did that on the track as much as possible.
With the crosscountry kids also. During the same workout.

Hope you can get back into your routine.

Originally Posted by estreetposse

Cornell is not just a cow school anymore...my neighbor's daughter is enrolled in this program and her mother is a teacher of Equine Science at Suny Cobleskill:

http://web.vet.cornell.edu/public/cuerp/


Also running drug tests for the tracks:

http://diaglab.vet.cornell.edu/labsect/equine.asp

They are also the lead institution mapping
the thoroughbred genome. Which in the future
should be very interesting. I think the genome is about done.
Just gotta try to make some sense out of it.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Europe... Horses that run the other way.
I wonder what the % is there.

Geek overload.
Excuse please.

Quarter cracks are practically non-existant in Europe. I believe the reason that they are so common here is because of the sandy surfaces here. Because of the sandy surfaces here, the horses' feet get all dried out and are prone to cracking.

In addition, the surfaces are much firmer over here.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Yes, I saw it. He was doing those full backward kicks in his stall for a couple of seconds. He was lucky he didn't kick the wall. A horse can get hurt like that.

All I could think about when I saw BB going postal in the stall was that this is probably how N. Key probably hurt herself.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Not to defend Dutrow, but there are tons of trainer out there who are just as bad as he is. Most of the top trainers cheat. Both Pletcher and Asmussen got caught blocking their horses with mepivicaine. That is about as unethical and immoral as you can get. That is making it so that the horse can't feel anything. Do you know how dangerous that is?

Not to mention Biancone who was using snake venom for the same purpose.

Well yeah Bobby, that's the equivalent of taking an All Pro NFL running back with a knee injury and potentially risking career ending injury by injecting tetracaine and solumedrol in a knee so they can play while injured. Which is exactly what is done not only in the pro's but now all the way down to the youngest of kids at levels shameful to sport and society.

Congrats on the big win with #4 over the weekend.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

When we originally complained about the holding or security barns this was one of the things we were referring to. It can really upset a nervous or high strung horse and throw them off their game. I am not suggesting that is the case here but it is another factor that you just cant quantify.

It's not much of a reach Chuck to suggest BB left an awful lot of game in that stall Saturday Chuck.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by monipenny

Andy, your man Zito had both of his horses that ran 1st and 3rd in the Belmont race on Winstrol. Is the media gonna crucify Nick as they have been doing to Ricky all through this TC? Just thought I would bring this to everyone's attention about the Winstrol and why Nick gets a free pass from the media because he's a NYer.

That's reaching pretty deep.

But, hey, good detective there. What's next.....the Loch Ness monster?

[ArlJim78]

Zito is a great trainer and exudes class and is respectful of others.
The other guy is a mouthy blowhard with no class.

A few years back when Zito had 5 starters in the derby, and all expectations and pressure where on him. Immediately after the race when he finished off the board with all horses, the media were all right in his face for interviews of course, and I'll never forget how he handled it. He didn't squirm or make excuses or blame anyone or duck any questions. He made himself available at a moment that had to be a huge personal disappointment and answered the questions forthrightly.

contrast that to Saturday with a sweaty guy quickly running off "don't even think about it" after mouthing off to the world for weeks that the race was guaranteed.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by monipenny

Hey, im not trying to exactly play spoiler here- but the facts should be stated and everyone should know the truth. Congrats to Nick and his Belmont win. There is a reason why he's in the HOF.

You're reaching to start trouble.

If the media asks Nick about his use of medications I'm quite comfortable he will be forthcoming, as he always is. Winstrol is a legal medication in many states. Dutrow was honest, and actually complimented for his honesty by those with any knowledge of the game, and if anything it is the industry that needs to address the issue. Dutrow was also criticized for what he said, which was that he just gave it to his horses and didn't know what it did. I would be surprised if Nick gave a similar answer.

Different people have different styles. That doesn't make one right and one wrong. Fortunately, the world doesn't work that way. However, Nick has developed his positive image through many years of being a great friend to horse racing. If, perhaps, he is treated differently, maybe he has earned it through years of availability and generosity. This is not to criticize Rick Dutrow, but his fame is mostly recent, and fair or unfair, much of his notoriety has been due to negative publicity. I hope, for his sake and the sake of the game, that he will be able to use this opportunity to show a much more positive side of himself. Personally, and I don't know Rick at all, while I didn't agree with everything he said or did, overall I would say he was pretty entertaining and my opinion of him, for whatever the hell that's worth, improved.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by monipenny

You're an idiot. What exactly is Rick suppose to say to Jeannine Edwards immeadiately following the race? The answer would be I don't know to all the questions asked. Rick did the prudent thing with putting the horse first and media second. Trainer's are not bound to speak with media as some sports are mandated to do so. Rick watched the horse cool out and had visual physical checks performed before answering to the media. Yes, this was at least a hour after the running of the race, but he acted with dignity under the circumstances later answering questions best he could.

They should be. No one ever said Parcells or Belechik were fun to be around after a loss, but they showed up. If you want to represent your sport favorably, you have to show up in good times and in bad. The only exception would be, IMO, an EB type tragedy.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by monipenny

What's wrong with having a boastful confident guy? The media can't get enough of Ricky because he doesn't give canned answers. He mostly speaks honestly and talks openly about his past. He is a great thing for the sport of horse racing- he is colorful with always something to say and never boring like most trainer speak.

I learned nothing at all about the sport from all the interviews with Dutrow, only about him.

On the other hand, if possible I would listen all day long to people like Pletcher, Zito, Baffert, Shug, Kiaran, etc,etc. Why? because its not all about them and you can learn something if you pay attention to what they say.

I'll take the boring, knowledgable, classy guy any day over the mouth that just wants to boast about himself.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by monipenny

What's wrong with having a boastful confident guy? The media can't get enough of Ricky because he doesn't give canned answers. He mostly speaks honestly and talks openly about his past. He is a great thing for the sport of horse racing- he is colorful with always something to say and never boring like most trainer speak.

So Terrel Owens is good for the NFL? Maybe because he gives people some one to root against.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by docicu3

Well yeah Bobby, that's the equivalent of taking an All Pro NFL running back with a knee injury and potentially risking career ending injury by injecting tetracaine and solumedrol in a knee so they can play while injured. Which is exactly what is done not only in the pro's but now all the way down to the youngest of kids at levels shameful to sport and society.

Congrats on the big win with #4 over the weekend.

Bobby? I'm not Bobby. I didn't win anything over the weekend either.

[CSC]

On the subject, I am curious why Bobby Frankel got a free pass? I've never met Frankel before though he has walked by me a couple of times. But from what I have heard the guy is allegedly not the most friendly person in the world. But when he was winning everything in sight for a span of a couple of years ago everyone was hailing him as the greatest thing since sliced bread. I think he had great horses and great owners to start with, but was everything on the up and up with him? Horseracing didn't address the drug problem to the lengths they do today, and even today there is a ways to.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I learned nothing at all about the sport from all the interviews with Dutrow, only about him.

On the other hand, if possible I would listen all day long to people like Pletcher, Zito, Baffert, Shug, Kiaran, etc,etc. Why? because its not all about them and you can learn something if you pay attention to what they say.

I'll take the boring, knowledgable, classy guy any day over the mouth that just wants to boast about himself.

I miss Baffert being in the TC mix, the guy is great for the game. I would even throw in Lukas, love him or hate him the guy was great copy.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by monipenny

You're an idiot. What exactly is Rick suppose to say to Jeannine Edwards immeadiately following the race? The answer would be I don't know to all the questions asked. Rick did the prudent thing with putting the horse first and media second. Trainer's are not bound to speak with media as some sports are mandated to do so. Rick watched the horse cool out and had visual physical checks performed before answering to the media. Yes, this was at least a hour after the running of the race, but he acted with dignity under the circumstances later answering questions best he could.

Maybe if he ever shut his mouth before the race people would feel differently. The words "prudent" and "dignity" shouldn't be used in the same sentence as this guy.