Done till Spa. F horse racing

[Cpt.Bodgit]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I don’t think it was arbitrary at all. It was a judgement call and one thing I have not seen is anyone dispute the fact that the winner interfered with those two horses. I think that in a situation like this, you have to break it down to one or two questions:

1. Did he interfere with the other horse? If you answer no, end of story. If you answer yes, you move on to question two.

2. Did he cost the horse he interfered with a placing? If you answer no, end of story. If you answer yes, you have no choice but to place him behind that horse.

I also don’t think you can say every other horse would do that. He was the only one that I saw do it today. Those other horses weren’t sliding out. Also, his jockey didn’t say anything about the horse losing his footing. He talked about the horse reacting to the noise of the crowd and that being the cause of him getting out. For me, track condition isn’t a reasonable excuse.

I think the frustration comes in where there is no consistency from race to race let alone from track to track with stewards. Horses get left up ALL THE TIME for doing this "because the 2nd place finisher wasn't affected". This was the case yesterday as Country House was never going by.

I don't have a problem with the DQ because he went 5 paths out. But i'll have a problem when they leave up a horse at Belmont today for doing the same thing "because the 2nd place finisher wasn't affected". Then on Friday they will taken them down. Zero and I mean zero consistency.

[senator L]

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Nice score Alabama!

Shouldn't have come down imo. How many horses have
been taken out in the first turn and nothing happens
Maxium Security was the best horse especially being attacked on the
front end with fractions of 22.31 and 46.62 and still won by almost 2 lengths

[Konk]

One the most obvious fouls I have ever seen.
Still can't believe they really did it in the Derby. Kudos for doing the right thing no matter what.

This is why we need more 5 horse fields!

[moses]

Originally Posted by senator L

Tri box
10-13-14-16-20
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Well when you’re sitting back
In your rose pink Cadillac
Making bets on Kentucky Derby day.

Nice score Alabama!

Shouldn't have come down imo. How many horses have
been taken out in the first turn and nothing happens
Maxium Security was the best horse especially being attacked on the
front end with fractions of 22.31 and 46.62 and still won by almost 2 lengths

Who really knows if he was the best. I thought WOW looked like he was about to blow by him until the foul.

That said, I was impressed with Maximum Security. I thought he was a fraud and I was wrong.

[bigjag0716]

I had a nice 5 dollar exacta MS to Country House, along with being singled to him in the Pick 4, Oaks Derby Double, thank god Code of Honor didn't finish 2nd or would have had the Tri as well, this one stung and still stings. If I had the 2nd or 3rd place horse and not MS and they didn't make a change, I honestly would have understood, considering it was the derby, the change really hurts overall, it won't kill the sport, but it will shy away some casual bettors, like my buddies who bet occasionally, when I explained to them the DQ and the money it cost me and others, they sounded like they did not want any part of horse racing.

That being said, i'm still sour, and have no desire to watch or play the Preakness or any races, but like the degenerate I am, I'm sure I will be back.

[richard burch]

Can I get odds on whether fpsoxfan will bet a horse race before August?

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by richard burch

Can I get odds on whether fpsoxfan will bet a horse race before August?

Read my post again there chief. It’s says SPA. That’s July.
So I’ll take your bet Meathead.

[richard burch]

no name calling please.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by richard burch

no name calling please.

Oh come on. Meathead? No dumb ass posts please.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

This slo-mo shows even more clearly how Long Range Toddy had to check:

https://twitter.com/NBCSports/status...7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Yes, but Long Range Toddy was probably done any way. He was already fading. He finished 16th. If it wasn't for the incident where does he finish? If he wouldn't have come in the top 5, then you can't disqualify the winner. You can only DQ a horse if he costs another horse a better placing in the money. I think the only horse that MS could have or should have been DQ'd for fouling would be War of Will.

[ateamstupid]

This is a pretty incredible thread about a no-brainer DQ.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

This is a pretty incredible thread about a no-brainer DQ.

Considering that horses get butchered every year in the Derby and the stewards never DQ anyone, I don't know if I would ever call any DQ in the Derby a "no-brainer".

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by cakes44

Maybe some Sumitas mixed in?

Whatever happen to Coach ?

[moses]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Considering that horses get butchered every year in the Derby and the stewards never DQ anyone, I don't know if I would ever call any DQ in the Derby a "no-brainer".

That’s really the only reason I thought they might leave him up - “because it’s the derby” - and that’s not a very good reason. I can’t recall the last time the Derby winner interfered with a horse this badly, though.

[OldDog]

Ouch




That smarts.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by moses

That’s really the only reason I thought they might leave him up - “because it’s the derby” - and that’s not a very good reason. I can’t recall the last time the Derby winner interfered with a horse this badly, though.

This. I'd love for Rupert to show me where a Derby winner fouled another horse that badly at that crucial point of a race and didn't get DQ'ed. Pretty ridiculous to suggest that there should be different rules for the Derby than a $5,000 claimer.

[richard burch]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Exactly. They’ll be back in 2 weeks or sooner.

I know...all B.S. I'm sure they are betting already. Like it or not, gambling is an addiction and 99% of us on here have it. Our addictions always override objections and inquiries.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

This. I'd love for Rupert to show me where a Derby winner fouled another horse that badly at that crucial point of a race and didn't get DQ'ed. Pretty ridiculous to suggest that there should be different rules for the Derby than a $5,000 claimer.

You may be right. I don't remember a Derby winner fouling anyone. But I can think of horses being forced to take up sharply. I don't remember in any of those cases whether a horse who finished in the money was responsible. For example, I remember back in 2010 when they were passing the stands for the first time, somebody practically took Lookin at Lucky into the rail. It probably cost him 5-10 lengths. I can't remember who it was that fouled him and whether the horse who fouled him finished in the top 5. Here is the video of that incident:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bd0rf8RSeo

Every year there are horses taking up left and right and it's not always self-inflicted. But off the top of my head, I couldn't tell you whether any of those horses who have taken up badly, did so as a result of something that a horse who finished in the money did. And many of those incidents happened much earlier in the race.

I guess the perception of many people including myself is that there is always tons of bumping in the Derby and it is usually a very roughly run race. It seems that they usually allow almost anything. But you may be right that this is the worst foul that has happened at that point in the race.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Tom, This is the first time in a while that I was sober for it.. I need to get back to drinking if this is how it works

Serling ( and all the others that lazily tossed out Max) needed a bail out. Of course, they took it.

Duh.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Don't look for perfection when you ask horses to run on a very slippery track (with about 20 other horses.) Having this pig be called the winner of our biggest, most important, race is the punishment that we will all now have to live with. There is one reason to take the winner of yesterday's race down. That is, if it was obvious that another horse would have won (without the foul.)


Full Stop.