Holiday Wknd Stakes Beyers: Honor/Serve 104; Wise Dan 105

[Kasept]

AQU Cigar Mile H (G1): To Honor and Serve 104 (Bernardini) W. Mott/J. Lezcano
AQU Gazelle S (G1): Awesome Feather 99 (Awesome of Course) C. Brown/J. Sanchez
AQU Demoiselle S (G2): Disposablepleasure 71 (Giacomo) T. Pletcher/R. Dominguez
AQU Remsen S (G2): O'Prado Again 80 (El Prado-IRE) D. Romans/K. Desormeaux
AQU Go for Wand H (G2): Lovely Lil 92 (Tiznow) M. Hushion/C. Velasquez
AQU Fall Highweight H (G3): Sunrise Smarty 97 (Smarty Jones) M. Hushion/R. Dominguez
AQU Capades S: Marion Ravenwood 81 (A.P. Indy) H. Motion/R. Dominguez

HOL Matriarch S (G1): Star Billing 95 (Dynaformer) J. Shirreffs/V. Espinoza
HOL Hollywood Derby (G1): Ultimate Eagle 95 (Mizzen Mast) M. Pender/M. Pedroza
HOL Generous S (G3): Stoney Fleece 83 (Decarchy) J. Sadler/J. Rosario
HOL Citation H (G2): Jeranimo 97 (Congaree) M. Pender/G. Gomez
HOL V. O. Underwood S (G3): Pacific Ocean 107 (Ghostzapper) M. Mitchell/J. Rosario
HOL Miesque S (G3): More Than Love 76 (More Than Ready) J. Terranova/R. Dominguez
HOL Hollywood Prevue S (G3): So Brilliant 82 (Medaglia d'Oro) B. Baffert/M. Garcia

CD Clark H (G1): Wise Dan 105 (Wiseman's Ferry) C. Lopresti/J. Velazquez
CD KY Jockey Club S (G2): Gemologist 85 (Tiznow) T. Pletcher/J. Castellano
CD Golden Rod S (G2): On Fire Baby 71 (Smoke Glacken) G. Hartlage/J. Johnson
CD Falls City H (G2): Arena Elvira 90 (Ghostzapper) W. Mott/J. Alvarado

CRC W. L. McKnight H (G2): Musketier-GER 96 (Acatenango-GER) R. Attfield/L. Saez
CRC Fred W. Hooper H (G3): Jimanator 96 (Broken Vow) M. Trombetta/J. Bravo
CRC My Charmer H (G3): Oregon Lady-IRE 88 (Shamardal) R. Attfield/P. Lopez

WO Display S: Maritimer 91 (Stormy Atlantic) S. Attard/L. Contreras
WO Kingarvie S: Run in Aruba 69 (Philanthropist) R. Biamonte/L. Contreras

GG All American S (G3): Our Nautique-NZ 88 (Pins-AUS) J. Hollendorfer/K. Krigger

FG Pago Hop S: Daisy Devine 83 (Kafwain) A. McKeever/J. Graham
FG Woodchopper S: Suntracer 89 (Kitten's Joy) N. Pessin /R. Napravnik
FG Thanksgiving H: Gantry 94 (Pulpit) R. Faucheux/R. Eramia
FG Mr. Sulu S: Populist Politics 86 (Don't Get Mad) T. Amoss/J. Graham

PRX Cornucopia S: Winning Image 98 (Southern Image) M. Aro/J. Caraballo

PEN Six Bits H: Ravalo 90 (Mutakddim) D. Barr/J. Sanchez
PEN Blue Mountain S: B C's Train 71 (Silver Train) G. Preciado/A. Arroyo
PEN Swatara S: Not Abroad 99 (Not For Love) M. Petro/N. Petro
PEN Le Bagoter S: Poseidon's Warrior 101 (Speightstown) R. Reid/F. Pennington

[Kasept]

Churchill Stars of Tomorrow Card Figs:

1) MSW (6f): In the Beat 80
2) MSW (8.5f-T): Callmenancy 68
3) MSW (8.5f): Neck 'n Neck 79
4) ALW (6f): Amie's Dini 80
5) MSW (6.5f): Tapajo 59
6) MSW (9f-T): Red Jack 71
7) MSW (8.5f): Indian Ambush 80
8) ALW (6f): Brown Eyed Jozi 84
9) STK (8.5f): On Fire Baby 71
10) ALW (1m-T): Daddy Nose Best 77
11) STK (8.5f): Gemologist 85
12) MSW (6f): King Kid 68

[Betsy]

The BSF for THAS seems rather low given that he ran 1:33 and change on a track that was hardly blazing; he got a 105 for the PA Derby on a track that, while earlier in the card was not fast, did quicken up later on.

[Indian Charlie]

Steve, what did Blingo get Friday at HP, 3rd race?

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Steve, what did Blingo get Friday at HP, 3rd race?

81

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

81

Thanks.

How did that race comeback only an 81 while the Matriarch got a 95, with only a 2/5ths of a second difference in final times?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Betsy

The BSF for THAS seems rather low given that he ran 1:33 and change on a track that was hardly blazing; he got a 105 for the PA Derby on a track that, while earlier in the card was not fast, did quicken up later on.

It seemed perfectly in line intellectually if you look at the only other mile race on the card, the 5th, at 2YO maiden race. That race went 2 4/5 slower, or approximately 30 Beyer points at one mile, and given the talent of those 2YOs, 106 seems more than reasonable.

Aside from that, what makes you think his win yesterday was substantially better than his effort in the PA Derby?

[blackthroatedwind]

Suddenly On Fire Baby looks particularly mediocre.

I watched most of Churchill yesterday and what I saw made it seem like the rail was very strong.

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It seemed perfectly in line intellectually if you look at the only other mile race on the card, the 5th, at 2YO maiden race. That race went 2 4/5 slower, or approximately 30 Beyer points at one mile, and given the talent of those 2YOs, 106 seems more than reasonable.

Aside from that, what makes you think his win yesterday was substantially better than his effort in the PA Derby?

I actually thought he ran a big race in the PA Derby, but a track record (at a sprint) had been set the race before. 1:33 and change is just extremely fast, but aside from the time, he did beat older horses (even though the field wasn't that great). I don't like being fixated on BSF because I don't think they capture everything about a race, but I always end up fixated anyway. I can see now how a 106 is fair - and not that it's anything to complain about, which I did. I'm also still on a high. This race was one of the most satisfying wins I've had as a fan and I'm just happy he got a grade 1, which I hope is the first of several.

I agree also that he probably shouldn't be on the ballot for 3 year old of the year because he didn't run much of the year - the best part of his season was compressed into 2 months. That's fine - I expect him to be a very good older horse and just getting him back to even better than he was before was an accomplishment.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Betsy

I actually thought he ran a big race in the PA Derby, but a track record (at a sprint) had been set the race before. 1:33 and change is just extremely fast, but aside from the time, he did beat older horses (even though the field wasn't that great). I don't like being fixated on BSF because I don't think they capture everything about a race, but I always end up fixated anyway. I can see now how a 106 is fair - and not that it's anything to complain about, which I did. I'm also still on a high. This race was one of the most satisfying wins I've had as a fan and I'm just happy he got a grade 1, which I hope is the first of several.

I agree also that he probably shouldn't be on the ballot for 3 year old of the year because he didn't run much of the year - the best part of his season was compressed into 2 months. That's fine - I expect him to be a very good older horse and just getting him back to even better than he was before was an accomplishment.

I might be as big a fan of his as you are, but he still feels like he will crumble if things dont go his way. Very easy trip yesterday.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Kasept

AQU Cigar Mile H (G1): To Honor and Serve 104 (Bernardini) W. Mott/J. Lezcano
AQU Gazelle S (G1): Awesome Feather 99 (Awesome of Course) C. Brown/J. Sanchez
AQU Demoiselle S (G2): Disposablepleasure 71 (Giacomo) T. Pletcher/R. Dominguez
AQU Remsen S (G2): O'Prado Again 80 (El Prado-IRE) D. Romans/K. Desormeaux

Note finalized AQU Saturday figs -- reflected above -- were adjusted down two ticks..

[Betsy]

In any case, it appears Charlotte Weber has no intentions of running To Honor and Serve at Gulfstream -

http://www.drf.com/news/aqueduct-liv...oised-big-2012