Mountaineer Park odds manipulation...

Calzone Lord · #1 08-19-2011, 09:22 PM

Someone is doing a pretty brazen job of it tonight.

Race #7: Oddity --- a sucker horse with slow dirt form shipping in from Kentucky is 1/9 the entire way.

Thrown Away -- who has a serious pace edge and is the best horse in the race on dirt is 14/1 with 0 MTP.

I end up -- like a fool -- just betting Thrown Away but expecting a huge cancel on the favorite to come at the last second.

Thrown Away -- 14/1 when loaded in the gate paid $6.20

Here is the kicker though ... the 2/1 eventual favorite over the 2/1 eventual second choice paid $61.40 in the exacta.

http://www1.drf.com/drfPDFChartRaces...=20110819&RN=7

That exacta literally should have paid no more than $20 any day of the week.

The horse who was 1/9 before the late cancel job ended up being the 5/2 third choice in the betting.

A couple different people told me the exact same thing happened in race #2 at MNR today ... Andrun was 1/9 with 1 MTP and 2/5 as they loaded --- ended up not even close to favorite.

There is NO WAY in the world that $61.40 exacta ever pays more than $20 without that tote manipulation.

Considering the #2 went in the gate at "14/1" odds -- and the #8 went in the gate at "15/1" odds ... you can understand how it happened.

Indian Charlie · #2 08-20-2011, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Thrown Away -- who has a serious pace edge and is the best horse in the race on dirt is 14/1 with 0 MTP.

I end up -- like a fool -- just betting Thrown Away but expecting a huge cancel on the favorite to come at the last second.

Thrown Away -- 14/1 when loaded in the gate paid $6.20

That's one of the more clever redboards we've seen in awhile.

Calzone Lord · #3 08-20-2011, 12:35 AM

I got killed today... killed.

If that makes you feel any better about a $6.20 winner that was 14/1 loading into the gate.

Some 250lbs chick did buy me a drink though.... so, by your standards, a solid enough day.

herkhorse · #4 08-20-2011, 06:55 AM

how much $ does it take to manipulate the odds at the mountain? 200 bucks?

Calzone Lord · #5 08-20-2011, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by herkhorse

how much $ does it take to manipulate the odds at the mountain? 200 bucks?

They bet over $150,000 on the race. Almost 50K in the exacta pool.

200 bucks -- Are you serious?

Someone bet about $10,000 or more on the 10 and cancelled at the last second.

I did this stuff as a teller when I was 18 years old. You don't need to have $10,000 to bet $10,000 if you intend to cancel. And -- you can cancel huge bets all day everyday and they never say anything to you about it.

herkhorse · #6 08-20-2011, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Someone bet about $10,000 or more on the 10 and cancelled at the last second.

I did this stuff as a teller when I was 18 years old. You don't need to have $10,000 to bet $10,000 if you intend to cancel. And -- you can cancel huge bets all day everyday and they never say anything to you about it.

I would be too worried that the tote system would go down at the last second.

PeteMugg · #7 08-20-2011, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

I got killed today... killed.

If that makes you feel any better about a $6.20 winner that was 14/1 loading into the gate.

Some 250lbs chick did buy me a drink though.... so, by your standards, a solid enough day.

Did you buy her breakfast?

Calzone Lord · #8 08-20-2011, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by PeteMugg

Did you buy her breakfast?

It was my fault -- I sat down in the bar stool next to her and got wings.

She was 15 years older than me --- looked like Barney Rubble -- and wouldn't stop talking.

250lbs would be a lie in all honesty --- maybe 180 or 190lbs... but I wanted to try and turn IC on.

MaTH716 · #9 08-20-2011, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

I got killed today... killed.

If that makes you feel any better about a $6.20 winner that was 14/1 loading into the gate.

Some 250lbs chick did buy me a drink though.... so, by your standards, a solid enough day.

Would this be considered the second clever redboard of this thread?

Calzone Lord · #10 08-20-2011, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

Would this be considered the second clever redboard of this thread?

I can be the Babe Ruth of Redboarding if I want because I'm involved all over.

You guys want to see how Redboarding is properly done using a race run this week?

* Suttle Rich and Kip's Boy hook up in a vicious speed duel on August 2nd that earns them HUGE pace figures in races where they both stopped to a walk in the stretch -- and that gets them on my Stable Mail list.

* August 2nd Duel:

* Suttle Rich on my stable mail ...

* Suttle Rich and Kip's Boy meet again a few days ago on Aug 16th... as you can see - lesson learned ... this time Suttle Rich is allowed an uncontested lead at odds of 41/1.

* With the duel avoided -- Suttle Rich goes wire-to-wire at 41/1 odds. Kip's Boy runs 2nd (as part of an entry) to complete a $289 exacta. They seperate themselves from the rest of the field.

Result Chart of this glorious race:

http://www1.drf.com/drfPDFChartRaces...=20110816&RN=4

E-Mail reminding me how smart I am:

And THAT'S what a REAL redboard looks like. Not some of this slapdick type of sh!t I see from tards all the time.

MaTH716 · #11 08-20-2011, 08:53 AM

Richard is going to be absolutely ecstatic that you are playing Finger Lakes..................

brianwspencer · #12 08-20-2011, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

* Suttle Rich on my stable mail ...

And THAT'S what a REAL redboard looks like. Not some of this slapdick type of sh!t I see from tards all the time.

It's still pretty clever, because I see that you also got to casually drop in an unmentioned, sneaky redboard on Tiger Mike without even saying anything about it.

Well played, sir.

Seattleallstar · #13 08-19-2012, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Someone is doing a pretty brazen job of it tonight.

Race #7: Oddity --- a sucker horse with slow dirt form shipping in from Kentucky is 1/9 the entire way.

Thrown Away -- who has a serious pace edge and is the best horse in the race on dirt is 14/1 with 0 MTP.

I end up -- like a fool -- just betting Thrown Away but expecting a huge cancel on the favorite to come at the last second.

Thrown Away -- 14/1 when loaded in the gate paid $6.20

Here is the kicker though ... the 2/1 eventual favorite over the 2/1 eventual second choice paid $61.40 in the exacta.

http://www1.drf.com/drfPDFChartRaces...=20110819&RN=7

That exacta literally should have paid no more than $20 any day of the week.

The horse who was 1/9 before the late cancel job ended up being the 5/2 third choice in the betting.

A couple different people told me the exact same thing happened in race #2 at MNR today ... Andrun was 1/9 with 1 MTP and 2/5 as they loaded --- ended up not even close to favorite.

There is NO WAY in the world that $61.40 exacta ever pays more than $20 without that tote manipulation.

Considering the #2 went in the gate at "14/1" odds -- and the #8 went in the gate at "15/1" odds ... you can understand how it happened.

this has been going on all meet, weekday nights are the worse. The horse that has always opened up at something ridiclously short like 1/5, then come 1-3 mtp, it floats up to 2-1, and a new favorite emerges. Obviously not one of these horses have won opening up at the heavy favorite, in the times I have watched. I got caught once and vowed to myself no more. I got home and figured to play a tri and exacta multiple times based on the heavy favorite. Needless to say they got me, and i kept noticing what was going on. So I have decided to avoid Moutaineer altogether even if i have pps.

Evangeline Dows this has happened a couple of times too, but nothing near as frequent or blatant as Mountaineer

tanner12oz · #14 08-21-2012, 11:13 AM

it happened on west virginia day with by far the most money in the pools all year...

not really sure something should be done about it but it is kinda a sleazy move and without a doubt suckers alot of the dumb money at simulcast centers throughout the country

jms62 · #15 08-21-2012, 11:26 AM

I was reading some info on NJBets site and they do something interesting. Any bet over $1000 dollars can not be cancelled online you have to call the main office. Good Luck if you do it after business hours as no one will be there to take the call.

3kings · #16 08-21-2012, 05:06 PM

Xpressbet also lets you cancel a ceartain number of races or dollar amount online. One day I had put a bunch of bets in and tried to cancel them online because the races came off the turf. They let me cancel a few online but I had to call to cancel the rest after I recieved a pop-up saying I was over my money limit on cancelled tickets for the month.

odbaxter · #17 08-21-2012, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by tanner12oz

it happened on west virginia day with by far the most money in the pools all year...

not really sure something should be done about it but it is kinda a sleazy move and without a doubt suckers alot of the dumb money at simulcast centers throughout the country

I disagree. It is more sinister than that. It is down right nasty.

Maybe I'm just in a bad mood; but would really like to see this/these guys/girls get what's coming to 'em.