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Old 06-17-2010, 10:32 PM
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Old 06-18-2010, 06:04 AM
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That link doesn't work.

I am wondering what you mean since certainly illegal aliens breaking our laws do not have constitutional rights, as they are not citizens.
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Old 06-18-2010, 08:30 AM
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Just interested in what constitutional right is being violated. Demanding ID after a traffic stop, suspicious person is done all the time to everyone in fact happened to me last Saturday. And I trust now you don't believe in State's rights? What next? Crowning the Obama family making him king and the family royals? Fittingly the link didn't work for me either.
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Old 06-18-2010, 08:54 AM
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Just interested in what constitutional right is being violated. Demanding ID after a traffic stop, suspicious person is done all the time to everyone in fact happened to me last Saturday. And I trust now you don't believe in State's rights? What next? Crowning the Obama family making him king and the family royals? Fittingly the link didn't work for me either.
While I did not open the link, Riot is probably referring to the new law proprosal (I do not believe it has been voted on yet) in Arizona that says children born in the United States to Illegals will not be US citzens.. which is unconstitutional, and the Arizona folks would be smart to toss out that law.

Though I do not believe the other law (asking for ID's) is that big of a deal.
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Old 06-18-2010, 10:23 AM
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While I did not open the link, Riot is probably referring to the new law proprosal (I do not believe it has been voted on yet) in Arizona that says children born in the United States to Illegals will not be US citzens.. which is unconstitutional, and the Arizona folks would be smart to toss out that law.

Though I do not believe the other law (asking for ID's) is that big of a deal.
If it is as you describe, that new proposal will be thrown out, on the simple grounds that since Arizona is part of the U.S., any child born in Arizona has been born in the United States.

Now I've heard law arguments indicating some ambiguity in the status of children born here from illegal aliens, but if that ever is changed it will be at the Federal level and not piecemeal from one state versus the rest.
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If it is as you describe, that new proposal will be thrown out, on the simple grounds that since Arizona is part of the U.S., any child born in Arizona has been born in the United States.

Now I've heard law arguments indicating some ambiguity in the status of children born here from illegal aliens, but if that ever is changed it will be at the Federal level and not piecemeal from one state versus the rest.
exactly.. I imagine that is the law proposal that Riot was talking about.. but I guess you never know with Riot
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Old 06-18-2010, 09:12 PM
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Antitrust32 While I did not open the link, Riot is probably referring to the new law proprosal (I do not believe it has been voted on yet) in Arizona that says children born in the United States to Illegals will not be US citzens.. which is unconstitutional, and the Arizona folks would be smart to toss out that law.
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Though I do not believe the other law (asking for ID's) is that big of a deal.
Many, including myself, do. We'll see.
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Many, including myself, do. We'll see.
What do you want Police to do? Use tarot cards?

As I said last Saturday I was pulled over for speeding. The first thing I was asked for was my DL, the second was my proof of insurance. I don't look illegal (maybe the tan) so what gives. Lol

BTW got clocked at 83 in a 55 and the cop was nice enough to write it for 70 in a 55 saving about $150 on the ticket. Now if I had been illegal or wanted I'd have expected to be arrested and rightfully so.

Some real simple questions (hint answer is yes or no)

1) Should an illegal pulled over by a police officer (not Fed) and found to have an active foreign extradition warrant be arrested, held and extradited?

2) Should an illegal pulled over by police (not Fed) for a non-detain violation be arrested and turned over to Federal authorities for processing?

If yes to 1 and no to 2 move on to question 3. If not

3) Do you consider foreign laws to be supreme to homeland laws?
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Old 06-18-2010, 09:10 PM
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That link doesn't work.

I am wondering what you mean since certainly illegal aliens breaking our laws do not have constitutional rights, as they are not citizens.
I didn't mean that at all. I agree with your statement.

Oh, and just use Dell's link. It's all in the interpretation
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That link doesn't work.

I am wondering what you mean since certainly illegal aliens breaking our laws do not have constitutional rights, as they are not citizens.
I agree with you about illegals dont deserve to have constitutional rights because they are not US citizens. The funny thing is they get treated better in America then an American citizen would in a foreign prison.
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