Favorites get murdered in post draw

Scav · #1 11-03-2009, 04:00 PM

Lookin at Lucky(Far outside), Goldikova(Far outside), Zensational(1 hole) and Mastercraftman(1 hole)

OUCH...

RockHardTen1985 · #2 11-03-2009, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav

Lookin at Lucky(Far outside), Goldikova(Far outside), Zensational(1 hole) and Mastercraftman(1 hole)

OUCH...

Zensational will be fine... He has UNLIMITED SPEED.

randallscott35 · #3 11-03-2009, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Zensational will be fine... He has UNLIMITED SPEED.

God's gift to the mush.

Bigsmc · #4 11-03-2009, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

God's gift to the mush.

As a service to the rest of the wagering world, I'm hoping he puts all of his picks on one post.

The Indomitable DrugS · #5 11-03-2009, 04:21 PM

The 1 hole has 8 wins going 6fs at Santa Anita this meet. It's the most winningest post at the distance. It also has 10 second place finishes...more than any other post. That's 18-for-50 in the exacta this meet.

I realize he's speed...and your options are limited tactically from there ... but when you draw the most winningest and most placingist post of the meet at the distance ... you're probably not getting murdered by the draw.

As long as the track is fair ... I doubt posts will matter at all in any of the synth races.

Scav · #6 11-03-2009, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The 1 hole has 8 wins going 6fs at Santa Anita this meet. It's the most winningest post at the distance. It also has 10 second place finishes...more than any other post. That's 18-for-50 in the exacta this meet.

I realize he's speed...and your options are limited tactically from there ... but when you draw the most winningest and most placingist post of the meet at the distance ... you're probably not getting murdered by the draw.

As long as the track is fair ... I doubt posts will matter at all in any of the synth races.

Pace wise though, he is getting no breather and will be on go from start to finish, I don't think he can win that way, I thought he would have a chance if Fatal Bullet was inside and he could put the pressure on him, but they are both cooked now

randallscott35 · #7 11-03-2009, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav

Pace wise though, he is getting no breather and will be on go from start to finish, I don't think he can win that way, I thought he would have a chance if Fatal Bullet was inside and he could put the pressure on him, but they are both cooked now

Precisely. I like FB a lot but this is a tough spot for him b/c of Zensational. I really don't know who I like as much as I don't like Zen and FB probably gets cooked.

jms62 · #8 11-03-2009, 04:27 PM

Now the 1 hole in the turf sprint is whole different issue. 1 Winner... Outside in Turf routes has also been tough so Goldikova got the worst of it.

Scav · #9 11-03-2009, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62

Now the 1 hole in the turf sprint is whole different issue. 1 Winner... Outside in Turf routes has also been tough so Goldikova got the worst of it.

That is because the outside posts are good down the hill, they are actually somewhat considered the inside because of that first bend. Outside horse with speed in any other race then this one down the hill is golden. But this race is like non other, insane fractions.....

GPK · #10 11-03-2009, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav

That is because the outside posts are good down the hill, they are actually somewhat considered the inside because of that first bend. Outside horse with speed in any other race then this one down the hill is golden. But this race is like non other, insane fractions.....

Insane fractions? Thanks Capt. Obvious

The Indomitable DrugS · #11 11-03-2009, 04:40 PM

Does anyone have a link to the fields?

RockHardTen1985 · #12 11-03-2009, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The 1 hole has 8 wins going 6fs at Santa Anita this meet. It's the most winningest post at the distance. It also has 10 second place finishes...more than any other post. That's 18-for-50 in the exacta this meet.

I realize he's speed...and your options are limited tactically from there ... but when you draw the most winningest and most placingist post of the meet at the distance ... you're probably not getting murdered by the draw.

As long as the track is fair ... I doubt posts will matter at all in any of the synth races.

I Looked all that up first, but I had to stick to my style.

brockguy · #13 11-03-2009, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav

Lookin at Lucky(Far outside), Goldikova(Far outside), Zensational(1 hole) and Mastercraftman(1 hole)

OUCH...

no worries for Goldi.. I told you not to use Mastercraftsman.. I doubt he even gets placed in the mile!!

Antitrust32 · #14 11-03-2009, 04:55 PM

so Zenyatta is actually going to the Classic. WOW.

Fulla Sheets · #15 11-03-2009, 05:02 PM

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so Zenyatta is actually going to the Classic. WOW.

I have a dumb question.
If Zenyatta is beat by Summer Bird in the Classic, does this mean Rachel Alexandra will be the HOY? She has already beaten Summer Bird by 8 lengths in the Haskel, even though it was on a completely different surface. Or has the Rachel-Zenyatta thing been over for a while now?

TitanSooner · #16 11-03-2009, 05:03 PM

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I have a dumb question.
If Zenyatta is beat by Summer Bird in the Classic, does this mean Rachel Alexandra will be the HOY? She has already beaten Summer Bird by 8 lengths in the Haskel, even though it was on a completely different surface. Or has the Rachel-Zenyatta thing been over for a while now?

most votes were cast in early September.. this one's over.

randallscott35 · #17 11-03-2009, 05:12 PM

Karelian 6-1??? What planet is Jon White on.

tiznowthegreat · #18 11-03-2009, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by brockguy

no worries for Goldi.. I told you not to use Mastercraftsman.. I doubt he even gets placed in the mile!!

Would be curious for you to elaborate on your opinion on Mastercraftsman. He looks to completely outclass this field.

brockguy · #19 11-03-2009, 06:21 PM

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Would be curious for you to elaborate on your opinion on Mastercraftsman. He looks to completely outclass this field.

I think he is now too slow for a mile. While his early wins looks alright, his Irish 2000 Guineas win was in bottomless ground so it put such an emphasis on stamina rather than speed.

His best trip IMO is 10f. The usual rule of thumb for a turfer that I follow is that you want them running on the synthetics or dirt over a trip just further than their optimal (think Ravens Pass, Henrythenavigator, Giants Causeway etc)

He is a grinder to me, I can see him running the exact same type of race as Duke Of Marmalade (who was IMO, also dropping down from his optimal trip in the Classic last year). I will avoid him completely..

RockHardTen1985 · #20 11-03-2009, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by brockguy

I think he is now too slow for a mile. While his early wins looks alright, his Irish 2000 Guineas win was in bottomless ground so it put such an emphasis on stamina rather than speed.

His best trip IMO is 10f. The usual rule of thumb for a turfer that I follow is that you want them running on the synthetics or dirt over a trip just further than their optimal (think Ravens Pass, Henrythenavigator, Giants Causeway etc)

He is a grinder to me, I can see him running the exact same type of race as Duke Of Marmalade (who was IMO, also dropping down from his optimal trip in the Classic last year). I will avoid him completely..

Furthest Land at 20-1 is CRAZY.