Big Truck

Horse has got into trouble before.
He has battled winning and losing.
Ran terrible in the slop at GP.

Today pinched back at the start.
Wide around the first turn, wide on the second turn
bumping down the stretch and the horse almost won.

This is not a lightly raced 3 year old. I was
very impressed with his effort considering the
difficulty today.

Do we dare mention him as a Derby Hopeful?

[letswastemoney]

Yup I see no reason why not to label him a contender.

[The Bid]

No, there wasnt a decent Derby contender in that group, and he isnt either.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by The Bid

No, there wasnt a decent Derby contender in that group, and he isnt either.

Well said. I couldn't agree more although one more for Nick Zito in his 2008 embarassment of riches is OK by me.

NT

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Horse has got into trouble before.
He has battled winning and losing.
Ran terrible in the slop at GP.

Today pinched back at the start.
Wide around the first turn, wide on the second turn
bumping down the stretch and the horse almost won.

This is not a lightly raced 3 year old. I was
very impressed with his effort considering the
difficulty today.

Do we dare mention him as a Derby Hopeful?

Thought the same thing, but apparently few agree. It's not like there are any awesome contenders at this point (besides War Pass and Pyro.)

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Thought the same thing, but apparently few agree. It's not like there are any awesome contenders at this point (besides War Pass and Pyro.)

It is still very early so its hard to tell.
All conjecture of course.

I just thought he overcame a whole lot
of trouble, ran an extra long race and would
have won at 10f. The effort was very solid.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by pgardn

It is still very early so its hard to tell.
All conjecture of course.

I just thought he overcame a whole lot
of trouble, ran an extra long race and would
have won at 10f. The effort was very solid.

Loved how he galloped out. Perhaps The Bid is right and we didn't see any decent Derby contenders in this field, but if I had to choose one, it would most likely be him.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Loved how he galloped out. Perhaps The Bid is right and we didn't see any decent Derby contenders in this field, but if I had to choose one, it would most likely be him.

I am not entirely sure what a decent Derby contender is.
Pyro was amazing with his last 1/4. War Pass obviously has
to be considered. Cowboy Cal lost today on the turf but looked
good. Pletcher says he goes to the Bluegrass but dirt... So I am
not sure about contenders right now.

Its very hard to say oh so and so (not mentioned above) will beat the crap
out of this horse at 10f. For example I personally think the bad cat looks
very nice but going 10f at the pace he runs... heck I dont know.

[hurricanefrank]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

And I guess I just am missing what you guys are seeing in Big Truck. Have you seen his previous races?

Makes two of us. He seems to either find trouble or another horse who's better than him that day.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

What about Cowboy Cal looked good exactly? And I guess I just am missing what you guys are seeing in Big Truck. Have you seen his previous races? He really isn't much and I really didn't see anything that changes that. I think people are grasping for a contender right now, because there really hasn't been one step up other than the big two from last year and El Gato Malo. And haven't we seen enough good gallop outs to know that you have to take them with a grain of salt?

He led the entire race on grass and was beaten
late. Did not look bad at all to me. But as I said
that is grass and he is going to the Blue Grass
supposedly which will not tell us much.

I really dont care about gallop outs, all they really
show is that a horse is not completely wasted.

So I got the general opinion. Big Truck is mostly
a joke. Got that checked.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by pgardn

It is still very early so its hard to tell.
All conjecture of course.

I just thought he overcame a whole lot
of trouble, ran an extra long race and would
have won at 10f. The effort was very solid.

There is absolutley no way to know something like that. If those horses had been running a 10f race yesterday, the race would have looked completely different.
I do not think this horse remotely qualifies as a legitimate Kentucky Derby contender. Tagg is about as sharp as they come and I seriously doubt if he is thinking about that race with this horse.

As for the Dollar Bill comparison, that horse hit the board in five G1 stakes over the course of his career. If Big Truck manages that, I will be more than a little shocked. He looks like a one-turn/minor stakes horse to me.

[miraja2]

Perhaps I am just crazy, but I thought the horse that actually won the race yesterday was more impressive than any of the horses that did not.
HE might be a Kentucky Derby contender. I certainly wouldn't have him ranked in my top ten or fifteen, because I don't think he beat very much, but I would have him rated higher than Big Truck.

[Cajungator26]

I dunno... agree with Dahoss that perhaps I am just grasping onto whatever contender I can. This year's crop is rather boring so far (War Pass excluded.)

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by miraja2

There is absolutley no way to know something like that. If those horses had been running a 10f race yesterday, the race would have looked completely different.
I do not think this horse remotely qualifies as a legitimate Kentucky Derby contender. Tagg is about as sharp as they come and I seriously doubt if he is thinking about that race with this horse.

As for the Dollar Bill comparison, that horse hit the board in five G1 stakes over the course of his career. If Big Truck manages that, I will be more than a little shocked. He looks like a one-turn/minor stakes horse to me.

the comparison was due to the hard luck stories in connection with the horse. dollar bill always had an excuse, some drama, as well....

[Mortimer]

The clueless trying to clue in the clueless.






Rule 4----by the way.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I just watched the replay a few times, including the head on. The highlighted part just didn't happen. Watch it again. I suppose he was wide on the first turn although he was actually in the same path as the winner and on the second turn he was 6 wide, compared to the winner being about 5 wide. All things considered his trip wasn't bad at all.

Now this is going to be an odd
thing for me to do but you are
perfectly correct. I just watched
the head on. I had only watched
the normal replay.

No it was not a bad trip but
it was definitely not a good trip.
Backstretch he got shoved out very
wide which is not apparent regular view.

The main thing that I see is that this is
an improvement over his previous races.

So he would not be a contender because
there are only 3 horses that are? Or because
which other horses besides Pyro, War Pass, bad cat
are clearly better?

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I guess I fail to see how it was an improvement. I haven't seen any figs from the race, so I suppose it's possible he ran faster than he had previously, but that's not saying a lot. Time will obviously tell, but I don't see him having any kind of impact on the triple crown.

Did you watch his race at GP?

[philcski]

I liked Fierce Wind coming in and like him even more now. The rest... not so much. Smooth Air I'll give a mulligan, didn't really get a chance to run until late.

Originally Posted by philcski

I liked Fierce Wind coming in and like him even more now. The rest... not so much. Smooth Air I'll give a mulligan, didn't really get a chance to run until late.

He seemed to be struggling a bit down the stretch but the other horses around him seemed to lose form and he straightened out. I had a hard time deciphering exactly what was going on. He looks like a horse that gets
out of the gate well enough, and carries enough early speed to get
good position.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Of course. It was actually a faster race than his Remsen, so I'm not sure your point. He still has yet to run a remotely fast race and is light years away from being a threat to War Pass or Pyro.

So his GP race was better than his effort yesterday?

Thank you captain obvious for the update on War Pass
and Pyro. Dont dare go out on a limb. Its dangerous.

Point is these are 3 year olds. It is February. So who do
you see in an upcoming race (besidesthecat) that you are keeping a close
eye on? Because you and I both know at this stage Pyro
and War Pass still have a ways to go to make it to the gate.
If you were so sure about these two you would have put
your money in the round one pool. Good going getting Pyro
in that first pool. What did you get him at?