Capping by Post Positions

[hockey2315]

How does everyone use the post positions. . . Do you toss all the outside horses? It shouldn't matter for closers (except maybe Street Sense) but if a horse like Any Given Saturday or Dominican (style wise) gets post 20 do they have a shot?

[Slewbopper]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

How does everyone use the post positions. . . Do you toss all the outside horses? It shouldn't matter for closers (except maybe Street Sense) but if a horse like Any Given Saturday or Dominican (style wise) gets post 20 do they have a shot?

I think it pretty much comes down to who gets out of the chute cleanly. It is a very long run to the first turn so if you can get a comfortable position out of the gate the outside shouldn't matter that much. I think Smarty was in the 15 and Fu Peg in the 16...so that is two auxillary gate winners in the last 7 years.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Slewbopper

I think it pretty much comes down to who gets out of the chute cleanly. It is a very long run to the first turn so if you can get a comfortable position out of the gate the outside shouldn't matter that much. I think Smarty was in the 15 and Fu Peg in the 16...so that is two auxillary gate winners in the last 7 years.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that Smarty wasn't all that compromised because he actually had some extra space because of where he was in the auxillary gate.

[Thunder Gulch]

A lot of horses have come from the auxiliary gate in the last 12+ years- Thunder Gulch, Grindstone, Charismatic, FuPeg, Smarty that I can think of. Everyone avoids the rail like the plague, but more Derby winners have come from the #1 post than any other, though the last was Ferdinand.

Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch

...more Derby winners have come from the #1 post than any other, though the last was Ferdinand.

I dont think that's correct. I believe it's the 10 hole that has the most...Even in recent times, the 10 hole has still dominated with like 6 winners.

[tycharles01]

Well SS should either have #6 or #8 so winner will be from there this year

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by easy goer

I dont think that's correct. I believe it's the 10 hole that has the most...Even in recent times, the 10 hole has still dominated with like 6 winners.

Winning post positions (1986-2006):

1 - 1
2 - 1
3 - 0
4 - 3
5 - 1
6 - 4
7 - 2
8 - 2
9 - 0
10 - 2
11 - 2
12 - 1
13 - 0
14 - 0
15 - 1
16 - 1
17 - 0
18 - 0
19 - 0
20 - 0

Bear in mind that the Derby did not have a 20 horse field from 1986-2004.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cardus

It is the rail that has produced the most Derby winners. And like it was mentioned above, Ferdinand was the last rail horse to win the Roses.

And what a ride by Shoemaker!

skewed by early data?? from pre-auxiliary gate days i'd imagine. the one hole gets pretty squeezed coming out--you're headed right for the rail if you don't move out some, due to where they set up.