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Old 11-18-2007, 02:27 PM
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Norv Turner, AJ Smith for hiring him or me for thinking that they could stay within 11 points of Jacksonville...
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Old 11-18-2007, 03:39 PM
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Norv Turner, AJ Smith for hiring him or me for thinking that they could stay within 11 points of Jacksonville...
aj smith.

turner's an excellent coordinator whose repeatedly shown he rises to his level of incompetence as a head coach.

you just made a bad bet.

smith chased off a solid head coach whose only problem was a perception based on on a small example (can't win a big game).

my answer would be different if you had included alex spanos in the choices.

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Old 11-18-2007, 03:48 PM
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aj smith.

turner's an excellent coordinator who's repeatedly shown he rises to his level of incompetence as a head coach.

you just made a bad bet.

smith chased off a solid head coach whose only problem was a perception based on on a small example (can't win a big game).

my answer would be different if you had included alex spanos in the choices.
But they did rally late for my cover...but I'm still an idiot for taking them on the road....
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Old 11-18-2007, 03:49 PM
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Norv Turner always sucked. Cannon Shell could have coahed that Dallas offense. Hell, Barry Switzer won a Super Bowl there, it ain't like it took a ton of genius to coach that team.

Norv won 10 games once as a head coach; he lost 10+ games in four seasons.

Norv sucks, Cam Cameron sucks. Marty Schottenheimer is out of work.

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Old 11-18-2007, 03:51 PM
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But they did rally late for my cover...but I'm still an idiot for taking them on the road....
my bad.

fan post. all i thought was they lost.
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Old 11-18-2007, 04:30 PM
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Norv Turner always sucked. Cannon Shell could have coahed that Dallas offense. Hell, Barry Switzer won a Super Bowl there, it ain't like it took a ton of genius to coach that team.

Norv won 10 games once as a head coach; he lost 10+ games in four seasons.

Norv sucks, Cam Cameron sucks. Marty Schottenheimer is out of work.

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I'm more of a defensive guy
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Old 11-18-2007, 04:33 PM
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your cover chuck? u must be doing the teasers?
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Old 11-18-2007, 07:23 PM
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your cover chuck? u must be doing the teasers?
I never bet teasers but I was looking for some action and didnt like the lines too much today
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Old 11-18-2007, 09:45 PM
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Why are they even playing the season? The Pats are so much better than any team that's ever played this game, it's almost embarassing. They're completely dismantling my Buffalo Bills right now, who have played quite well lately.

They're going to be a 20 point favorite in the SUPER BOWL for God's sake.
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Old 11-18-2007, 09:53 PM
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Why are they even playing the season? The Pats are so much better than any team that's ever played this game, it's almost embarassing. They're completely dismantling my Buffalo Bills right now, who have played quite well lately.

They're going to be a 20 point favorite in the SUPER BOWL for God's sake.
If it is Dallas, they will be 14, but anyone else and they are 20-21 pt favs, it is sickening but really amazing they can do something like this in the middle of parity in the NFL.

This is the only information I could find, this is the 2006 cap info....If anyone can find the 2007 info, it would probably be better. http://www.theredzone.org/caproom.asp

It is unbelievable what they are doing
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Old 11-18-2007, 10:01 PM
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If it is Dallas, they will be 14, but anyone else and they are 20-21 pt favs, it is sickening but really amazing they can do something like this in the middle of parity in the NFL.

This is the only information I could find, this is the 2006 cap info....If anyone can find the 2007 info, it would probably be better. http://www.theredzone.org/caproom.asp

It is unbelievable what they are doing
Even scarier would be if Maroney develops into the running back I think he can be... AND, they've got SF's pick in next year's draft which will probably #3 or #4.
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Old 11-18-2007, 10:18 PM
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What would even be scarier is if they ran more than 5 or 6 of the same plays over and over again. They will be more than 14 point favs over Dallas. At least 17, maybe more. And if they have no injuries, you should give the points without hesitation.
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Old 11-18-2007, 11:23 PM
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The Pats still have Baltimore in the shadows standing in the way of their perfect 19-0 season....

They should have both of their '06 Pro Bowl corners finally back healthy and effective for that game - and a potentially healthy Chris McAlister will be huge in that game...a 6' foot 2 inch very physical corner who's been to multiple Pro Bowls and has an almost 40 inch vertical leap - he might be the only guy in the league who has half a prayer guarding Moss one-on-one in the redzone.

In order to have a chance with Moss in the redzone - you need two fairly high quality players commited to stopping him. If McAlister - who played him as well as anyone before - is up to that tall task....New England's offense won't look nearly as mighty as it has looked all season.

Wes Welker will look like the reciever who had a combined one touchdown catch in the three years from '04-to-'06 ... Donte Stallworth will also be accounted for. And - the Pats running game and tight ends won't be highly effective in Baltimore...with that D-line and core of linebackers.

Brady will inevitably force a few throws and make a mistake. They will have to settle for a lot of field goals and even a few punts. It could look like the one magical last stand for the Ravens D.

The running game of Baltimore could be OK - and if they can get a few big lucky passing plays, score a touchdown on special teams, and score one on defense...they might have a shot.

I see a fully healthy Patriots who aren't resting starters between 95-to-100% to beat any team at home. The Ravens - playing some of the worst football in the leauge right now - still have a rock solid 8-to-10% chance of beating NE if they can get fully healthy on D.
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Old 11-19-2007, 09:29 AM
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[quote=The Indomitable DrugS]The Pats still have Baltimore in the shadows standing in the way of their perfect 19-0 season....

They should have both of their '06 Pro Bowl corners finally back healthy and effective for that game - and a potentially healthy Chris McAlister will be huge in that game...a 6' foot 2 inch very physical corner who's been to multiple Pro Bowls and has an almost 40 inch vertical leap - he might be the only guy in the league who has half a prayer guarding Moss one-on-one in the redzone.

In order to have a chance with Moss in the redzone - you need two fairly high quality players commited to stopping him. If McAlister - who played him as well as anyone before - is up to that tall task....New England's offense won't look nearly as mighty as it has looked all season.

Wes Welker will look like the reciever who had a combined one touchdown catch in the three years from '04-to-'06 ... Donte Stallworth will also be accounted for. And - the Pats running game and tight ends won't be highly effective in Baltimore...with that D-line and core of linebackers.

Brady will inevitably force a few throws and make a mistake. They will have to settle for a lot of field goals and even a few punts. It could look like the one magical last stand for the Ravens D.

The running game of Baltimore could be OK - and if they can get a few big lucky passing plays, score a touchdown on special teams, and score one on defense...they might

only lose by 30.

Lets face it that this isn't the 2000 super bowl champs Ravens Defense. They are just not that good. But, Everybody is entitled to thier own opinion. Also I just can't envision that KYLE BOLLER is going to be the one that derails the Pats train.
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Old 11-19-2007, 01:39 PM
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It's premature for that. They still have to win the Super Bowl for the historical comparisons to begin.
I don't know that I necessarily agree with that. An upset can occur in the Super Bowl or in one of the playoff games leading to the Super Bowl and they don't end up winning it. Would that take away from what they've accomplished all year? To an extent, yes. But not totally. It's not like baseball or basketball where they get a seven-game series to determine the champion and the cream always will rise. In a one-game setting, anything can happen and that's why I don't just look at who the champion is in a particular season and say that was the best team. Same as in college basketball. I don't know if you follow that sport or if you do, how far back you go but back in 1983, Houston was clearly the dominant team in the nation. But they were upset by NC St. in the championship. Same thing with Georgetown in 1985 when they were upset by Villanova. Was Duke the best team in 1991 when they beat UNLV? On the particular days, NC St., Villanova and Duke were the better teams. But if each of those games were to be rematched the following day, the losing teams would be favored again. I think NE can put a definite stamp on their claim to being the best team ever with a Super Bowl title. I also think that what they've shown they are capable of when at their best in just 10 games this season has already put them in the discussion. I personally feel that this is one of the five best teams I've ever seen, regardless of whether or not they finish the deal.
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Old 11-19-2007, 04:49 PM
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Its a good thing AJ got rid of Marty.... since he ONLY won in the Regular season and didnt win in the post season....... But [ unless Im wrong here]
Dont you need to win in the reg. season to GET to the Post season ?
After watching Norm coach the Silver & Black.. Im VERY happy he got the bolts job !!!!!!
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The only way the Patriots lose this season is if Belicheck keeps running up the score on everyone. One of these games the opposition is going to get pissed and start taking cheapshots. When Brady or Moss get carted off Belicheck won't look so smug, it will be his fault. The once proud Ravens defense might be embarassed enough to do it.
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Old 11-19-2007, 07:12 PM
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The only way the Patriots lose this season is if Belicheck keeps running up the score on everyone. One of these games the opposition is going to get pissed and start taking cheapshots. When Brady or Moss get carted off Belicheck won't look so smug, it will be his fault. The once proud Ravens defense might be embarassed enough to do it.
This aint the old NFL. The players on teams like the Ravens dont care enough to risk getting a big fine or suspension with a cheap shot on those guys.
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Old 11-19-2007, 07:38 PM
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This aint the old NFL. The players on teams like the Ravens dont care enough to risk getting a big fine or suspension with a cheap shot on those guys.
Or even banned from the league if someone isn't smart about it. The time to do it is on a Brady interception or a defensive fumble return, but I am guessing he has eyes behind his head. There isn't many interceptions or fumbles so there will be limited opportunities
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Also, back in the older days, players stayed with the same teams for long periods and built up rivalries and hatred. Nowdays, players change teams so often that many players are friends with players on the other teams because they might have been teammates just last season.
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