Owner Sues Mandella and Hughes Over Heel Nerving

Riot · #1 04-04-2007, 09:08 PM

The Blood Horse.

paisjpq · #2 04-04-2007, 09:22 PM

http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=38297

good I say.

paisjpq · #3 04-04-2007, 09:27 PM

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Thanks for the link, I'm lazy. And I agree, good for them.

lazy? or too busy with your evening 'project'? (evil giggle)

GPK · #4 04-04-2007, 09:28 PM

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lazy? or too busy with your evening 'project'? (evil giggle)

how is that new matching "bitch" comforter working out on your bed???

paisjpq · #5 04-04-2007, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK

how is that new matching "bitch" comforter working out on your bed???

cozy...thanks

Danzig · #6 04-04-2007, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK

how is that new matching "bitch" comforter working out on your bed???

GPK · #7 04-04-2007, 09:31 PM

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Only cause I love Paisjpq do I give her so much grief....

Honu · #8 04-04-2007, 10:42 PM

This is very touchy subject for me and I can tell you that I can see where people who do not understand or have knowledge of this procedure are upset.
From my stand point knowing why it was done and having been personally involved with this horse including galloping and working him I can tell you this was not an inhumane or unkind thing.
There are alot of procedeures done to horses that are perfectly humane and legal that are not even reported such as myectomys , chip surguries , hardware put in or taken out and so on. These things, if you were to see some of the ways they are performed you would most likely be grossed out and think that some surguries where the horses throats are left with a gaping draining hole for weeks would be inhumane.
I happen to also feel that I work with one of the best all around hands on horseman ever and I know that he nor the people he trains for would ever knowingly put an animal or human at risk .

Merlinsky · #9 04-04-2007, 11:06 PM

How many venues are there where this procedure prevents the horse from being entered? If most places don't care I don't think this owner can really get some sort of settlement. Can't they just reverse the claim and give the money back to the person? Then keep a list in the future?

saucon17 · #10 04-04-2007, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Honu

This is very touchy subject for me and I can tell you that I can see where people who do not understand or have knowledge of this procedure are upset.
From my stand point knowing why it was done and having been personally involved with this horse including galloping and working him I can tell you this was not an inhumane or unkind thing.
There are alot of procedeures done to horses that are perfectly humane and legal that are not even reported such as myectomys , chip surguries , hardware put in or taken out and so on. These things, if you were to see some of the ways they are performed you would most likely be grossed out and think that some surguries where the horses throats are left with a gaping draining hole for weeks would be inhumane.
I happen to also feel that I work with one of the best all around hands on horseman ever and I know that he nor the people he trains for would ever knowingly put an animal or human at risk .

I was hoping you would reply to this. Thank you for your thoughts
on this article. My thoughts on Mandella are still the same. I always
thought highly of him. His horses always look like a picture of health.

sumitas · #11 04-04-2007, 11:33 PM

It seems to be another question of disclosure. The health history of any horse should be available for inspection at any time. The new buyers contend such information was not fully disclosed.

Cannon Shell · #12 04-04-2007, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Merlinsky

How many venues are there where this procedure prevents the horse from being entered? If most places don't care I don't think this owner can really get some sort of settlement. Can't they just reverse the claim and give the money back to the person? Then keep a list in the future?

They dont deserve their money back. Every trainer worth a damn that claims horses knows how to find the nerved list. In many tracks it is posted right in the racing office. Why should a horse claimed in California be returned because of a rule in AZ?

Cannon Shell · #13 04-04-2007, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by sumitas

It seems to be another question of disclosure. The health history of any horse should be available for inspection at any time. The new buyers contend such information was not fully disclosed.

How would the health history of a horse be available? Define health history?

Scav · #14 04-04-2007, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

How would the health history of a horse be available? Define health history?

Cannon, it is a lost cause questioning sumitas.....

sumitas · #15 04-04-2007, 11:39 PM

As in, a folder with a medical history. such as humans have. seems pretty simple to me.

Scav · #16 04-04-2007, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by sumitas

It seems to be another question of disclosure. The health history of any horse should be available for inspection at any time. The new buyers contend such information was not fully disclosed.

If this was the case, their would be probably four tracks operating, the rest bye bye....the claimers are the earners my friend, no claimers, no horse racing

Cannon Shell · #17 04-04-2007, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by sumitas

As in, a folder with a medical history. such as humans have. seems pretty simple to me.

You are kidding right?

Honu · #18 04-04-2007, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by sumitas

It seems to be another question of disclosure. The health history of any horse should be available for inspection at any time. The new buyers contend such information was not fully disclosed.

They should sue their trainer for not fully researching the information available such as the rules in Arizona and information about the procedure done that was given to the proper authorities.

saucon17 · #19 04-04-2007, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by sumitas

It seems to be another question of disclosure. The health history of any horse should be available for inspection at any time. The new buyers contend such information was not fully disclosed.

They should not it's part of the claming game, buyer beware.

Honu · #20 04-04-2007, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Merlinsky

How many venues are there where this procedure prevents the horse from being entered? If most places don't care I don't think this owner can really get some sort of settlement. Can't they just reverse the claim and give the money back to the person? Then keep a list in the future?

Iowa and Arizona are the only 2 states u cant run in, So they have only about what 20 other states to choose from ?