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Riot 04-04-2007 09:08 PM

Owner Sues Mandella and Hughes Over Heel Nerving
 
The Blood Horse.

paisjpq 04-04-2007 09:22 PM

http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=38297

good I say.

paisjpq 04-04-2007 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Thanks for the link, I'm lazy. And I agree, good for them.

lazy? or too busy with your evening 'project'? (evil giggle)

GPK 04-04-2007 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq
lazy? or too busy with your evening 'project'? (evil giggle)


how is that new matching "bitch" comforter working out on your bed???:p :p

paisjpq 04-04-2007 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
how is that new matching "bitch" comforter working out on your bed???:p :p

cozy...thanks

Danzig 04-04-2007 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
how is that new matching "bitch" comforter working out on your bed???:p :p

:eek:

GPK 04-04-2007 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
:eek:


Only cause I love Paisjpq do I give her so much grief....:D

Honu 04-04-2007 10:42 PM

This is very touchy subject for me and I can tell you that I can see where people who do not understand or have knowledge of this procedure are upset.
From my stand point knowing why it was done and having been personally involved with this horse including galloping and working him I can tell you this was not an inhumane or unkind thing.
There are alot of procedeures done to horses that are perfectly humane and legal that are not even reported such as myectomys , chip surguries , hardware put in or taken out and so on. These things, if you were to see some of the ways they are performed you would most likely be grossed out and think that some surguries where the horses throats are left with a gaping draining hole for weeks would be inhumane.
I happen to also feel that I work with one of the best all around hands on horseman ever and I know that he nor the people he trains for would ever knowingly put an animal or human at risk .

Merlinsky 04-04-2007 11:06 PM

How many venues are there where this procedure prevents the horse from being entered? If most places don't care I don't think this owner can really get some sort of settlement. Can't they just reverse the claim and give the money back to the person? Then keep a list in the future?

saucon17 04-04-2007 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Honu
This is very touchy subject for me and I can tell you that I can see where people who do not understand or have knowledge of this procedure are upset.
From my stand point knowing why it was done and having been personally involved with this horse including galloping and working him I can tell you this was not an inhumane or unkind thing.
There are alot of procedeures done to horses that are perfectly humane and legal that are not even reported such as myectomys , chip surguries , hardware put in or taken out and so on. These things, if you were to see some of the ways they are performed you would most likely be grossed out and think that some surguries where the horses throats are left with a gaping draining hole for weeks would be inhumane.
I happen to also feel that I work with one of the best all around hands on horseman ever and I know that he nor the people he trains for would ever knowingly put an animal or human at risk .

I was hoping you would reply to this. Thank you for your thoughts
on this article. My thoughts on Mandella are still the same. I always
thought highly of him. His horses always look like a picture of health.

sumitas 04-04-2007 11:33 PM

It seems to be another question of disclosure. The health history of any horse should be available for inspection at any time. The new buyers contend such information was not fully disclosed.

Cannon Shell 04-04-2007 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Merlinsky
How many venues are there where this procedure prevents the horse from being entered? If most places don't care I don't think this owner can really get some sort of settlement. Can't they just reverse the claim and give the money back to the person? Then keep a list in the future?

They dont deserve their money back. Every trainer worth a damn that claims horses knows how to find the nerved list. In many tracks it is posted right in the racing office. Why should a horse claimed in California be returned because of a rule in AZ?

Cannon Shell 04-04-2007 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by sumitas
It seems to be another question of disclosure. The health history of any horse should be available for inspection at any time. The new buyers contend such information was not fully disclosed.

How would the health history of a horse be available? Define health history?

Scav 04-04-2007 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
How would the health history of a horse be available? Define health history?

Cannon, it is a lost cause questioning sumitas.....

sumitas 04-04-2007 11:39 PM

As in, a folder with a medical history. such as humans have. seems pretty simple to me.

Scav 04-04-2007 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by sumitas
It seems to be another question of disclosure. The health history of any horse should be available for inspection at any time. The new buyers contend such information was not fully disclosed.

If this was the case, their would be probably four tracks operating, the rest bye bye....the claimers are the earners my friend, no claimers, no horse racing

Cannon Shell 04-04-2007 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by sumitas
As in, a folder with a medical history. such as humans have. seems pretty simple to me.

You are kidding right?

Honu 04-04-2007 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by sumitas
It seems to be another question of disclosure. The health history of any horse should be available for inspection at any time. The new buyers contend such information was not fully disclosed.

They should sue their trainer for not fully researching the information available such as the rules in Arizona and information about the procedure done that was given to the proper authorities.


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