The House is about to socialize your medicine, and your life.

[joeydb]

Next week all the closet communists will be pushing the house to pass their latest debacle of a "health care" bill.

Here's a link where one congresswoman in the opposition talks about what's about to happen to all of us should it pass:

http://biggovernment.com/2009/11/03/...n-health-care/

If you want the pro-socialist position, turn on any TV station except Fox News. The most bold socialists can be found on MSNBC...Chris Matthews and Keith Ogreman easily will shovel all the pro Big Brother commentary you can stand.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Notice this bitch doesn't mention pre-existing conditions, or coverage for catastrophic. Why do you think about half of all bankruptcies are caused by Medical Bills? Most thought they had good medical coverage. This no-nothing bitch wants to keep allowing the insurance companies to just keep doing that. How many times does she have to be caught telling lies before people realize she is a pathological liar? Most have gotten away from that "Government will take control of the life n' death decisions" bullshit, but not this dense individual. She says Dems are gunna be surprised when her White Trash followers come to Washington? That's another lie. Nobody can be surprised when they do that.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Notice this bitch doesn't mention pre-existing conditions, or coverage for catastrophic. Why do you think about half of all bankruptcies are caused by Medical Bills? Most thought they had good medical coverage. This no-nothing bitch wants to keep allowing the insurance companies to just keep doing that. How many times does she have to be caught telling lies before people realize she is a pathological liar? Most have gotten away from that "Government will take control of the life n' death decisions" bullshit, but not this dense individual. She says Dems are gunna be surprised when her White Trash followers come to Washington? That's another lie. Nobody can be surprised when they do that.

How Pelosi is in her position is an insult to anyone who has ever died for this great country. She's the absolute worst.

This whole health bill is so bogus and full of crap all it will do is harm our country and not actually help the citizens. More in debt for the same old crap.

Dems have no balls to really reform health care the right way. Too greedy to do torm reform. and if this crap goes through with nothing on pre-existing conditions everyone in the government should be fired. Spend 1.2 trillion to do nothing. I absolutely despise congress and Pelosi is lower than scum.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Notice this bitch doesn't mention pre-existing conditions, or coverage for catastrophic. Why do you think about half of all bankruptcies are caused by Medical Bills? Most thought they had good medical coverage. This no-nothing bitch wants to keep allowing the insurance companies to just keep doing that. How many times does she have to be caught telling lies before people realize she is a pathological liar? Most have gotten away from that "Government will take control of the life n' death decisions" bullshit, but not this dense individual. She says Dems are gunna be surprised when her White Trash followers come to Washington? That's another lie. Nobody can be surprised when they do that.

Ms. Bachmann isn't well-known for dealing with reality-based issues. She keeps snapping in the air at her secret imaginary scary thoughts. Do her constituents even listen to what she has to say any more?

[Nascar1966]

Im sure all the people who can work that are unemployed and illegals are kissing O'Dumbass and the Bitch of the House Pelosi's ass. I dont know about you but every chance I get im voting Republican when it comes to Senate and Representatives being up for election in the future. Hopefully the governor races in Virginia and New Jersey are a sign of what is going to happen down the road for the worthless and clueless Democratic party. Alot of people are saying that no one could do a worse job than Bush did when he was in office. I think O'Dumbass is making people wish they voted for McCain instead. O'Dumbass didnt get my vote in 08 and sure the hell isnt in 12. If this ridiculous health insurance bill makes it all the way through its a shame that unemployed people who are milking the system and illegals are going to get health insurance. But I guess this is the O'Dumbass way of life. Wonder what O'Dumbass is going to do next? Maybe invite Bin Laden and the rest of his posse over to the White House for Thanksgiving dinner and of course drink some beer with O'Dumbass.

[steve]

being sent a bill for 5 hours in the ER for $9,881.40 is a little too much,don't you think?

[ddthetide]

about 50% of this board voted for that piece of crap in the white house and all his cronies in congress just because "we needed change". you got change alright.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Im sure all the people who can work that are unemployed and illegals are kissing O'Dumbass and the Bitch of the House Pelosi's ass. I dont know about you but every chance I get im voting Republican when it comes to Senate and Representatives being up for election in the future. Hopefully the governor races in Virginia and New Jersey are a sign of what is going to happen down the road for the worthless and clueless Democratic party. Alot of people are saying that no one could do a worse job than Bush did when he was in office. I think O'Dumbass is making people wish they voted for McCain instead. O'Dumbass didnt get my vote in 08 and sure the hell isnt in 12. If this ridiculous health insurance bill makes it all the way through its a shame that unemployed people who are milking the system and illegals are going to get health insurance. But I guess this is the O'Dumbass way of life. Wonder what O'Dumbass is going to do next? Maybe invite Bin Laden and the rest of his posse over to the White House for Thanksgiving dinner and of course drink some beer with O'Dumbass.

Thank you, for this exceedingly reasonable post.

Originally Posted by ddthetide

about 50% of this board voted for that piece of crap in the white house and all his cronies in congress just because "we needed change". you got change alright.

Does anyone actually have an even remotely non-partisan analysis of this bill? Seriously, I'm trying to educate myself about the details, but a youtube video of Michelle Bachmann is not exactly where I'm comfortable finding my news about the ins and outs of this bill.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by ddthetide

about 50% of this board voted for that piece of crap in the white house and all his cronies in congress just because "we needed change". you got change alright.

i'd have said about 50% of this board lives in kentucky which makes your observation seem unusually optimistic.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Thank you, for this exceedingly reasonable post.



Does anyone actually have an even remotely non-partisan analysis of this bill? Seriously, I'm trying to educate myself about the details, but a youtube video of Michelle Bachmann is not exactly where I'm comfortable finding my news about the ins and outs of this bill.

Brian: I realize that I'm a neo-con to most here but it doesn't take a partyline
view to see this bill is so flawed, that it should be buried at sea. Just the simple math doesn't work. We all know that everybody has a spin on it, but when the govts' own CBO gives the literal acct'ing of the merit of the bill, and the president disses it, it stinks! Notice how I didn't pile on.....
I would welcome a serious change to healthcare and tort reform and people not trying to screw the system, but it's taken 50 yrs to get it this way...don't crush the system by creating a monster that will never be balanced or controlled.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Brian: I realize that I'm a neo-con to most here but it doesn't take a partyline
view to see this bill is so flawed, that it should be buried at sea. Just the simple math doesn't work. We all know that everybody has a spin on it, but when the govts' own CBO gives the literal acct'ing of the merit of the bill, and the president disses it, it stinks! Notice how I didn't pile on.....
I would welcome a serious change to healthcare and tort reform and people not trying to screw the system, but it's taken 50 yrs to get it this way...don't crush the system by creating a monster that will never be balanced or controlled.

Ok, it may be flawed -- in total seriousness though, where is there a thorough, non-partisan analysis of it? I'm having trouble finding one because the bill cannot be ALL bad, and the bill cannot be ALL good, but no source I'm finding will give me the honest analysis of both of them without resorting to using some sort of scare tactics.

And seriously, neo-con, liberal, or not, when Michelle Bachmann is our "source," there's a very, very serious problem brewing.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Ok, it may be flawed -- in total seriousness though, where is there a thorough, non-partisan analysis of it? I'm having trouble finding one because the bill cannot be ALL bad, and the bill cannot be ALL good, but no source I'm finding will give me the honest analysis of both of them without resorting to using some sort of scare tactics.

And seriously, neo-con, liberal, or not, when Michelle Bachmann is our "source," there's a very, very serious problem brewing.

If we're gonna to skip the politics, we have to go with the math! Since when
does the office entrusted with the analysis NOT be the trusted answer?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Ok, it may be flawed -- in total seriousness though, where is there a thorough, non-partisan analysis of it? I'm having trouble finding one because the bill cannot be ALL bad, and the bill cannot be ALL good, but no source I'm finding will give me the honest analysis of both of them without resorting to using some sort of scare tactics..

Remember that now the Senate has to stuff all that Insurance industry lobbying money received in Joe Liebermann's mouth to get their version passed, then it goes to Committee, and maybe we'll see some good healthcare reform in 2013 or so. The bills are available on the US government website if you are really brave. The following is helpful as to some details:

http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/20...e-health-bill/

Igor Volsky's article lists 10 things the GOP asked for, and got, in the House Healthcare bill.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Remember that now the Senate has to stuff all that Insurance industry lobbying money received in Joe Liebermann's mouth to get their version passed, then it goes to Committee, and maybe we'll see some good healthcare reform in 2013 or so. The bills are available on the US government website if you are really brave. The following is helpful as to some details:

http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/20...e-health-bill/

Igor Volsky's article lists 10 things the GOP asked for, and got, in the House Healthcare bill.

gee that wasnt political at all

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Riot

Remember that now the Senate has to stuff all that Insurance industry lobbying money received in Joe Liebermann's mouth to get their version passed, then it goes to Committee, and maybe we'll see some good healthcare reform in 2013 or so. The bills are available on the US government website if you are really brave. The following is helpful as to some details:

http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/20...e-health-bill/

Igor Volsky's article lists 10 things the GOP asked for, and got, in the House Healthcare bill.

LOL, without a day off for the next three weeks, I was hoping to save myself the time of reading all 1,900 pages Thanks for the link though -- trying to take in as much as I can to figure out how I feel about it. I'm knee-jerk in favor of national healthcare, but would rather get a good idea of what's actually happening in the reality-based middle between my first instinct to support it and those on the other side screaming about mandatory abortions, sex changes, and grandparent killings.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

LOL, without a day off for the next three weeks, I was hoping to save myself the time of reading all 1,900 pages Thanks for the link though -- trying to take in as much as I can to figure out how I feel about it. I'm knee-jerk in favor of national healthcare, but would rather get a good idea of what's actually happening in the reality-based middle between my first instinct to support it and those on the other side screaming about mandatory abortions, sex changes, and grandparent killings.

Brian: it's the same as it's always been...the people in Congress mortgageing
the futures of the generations to come! This time it's a paradigm shift,though.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Im sure all the people who can work that are unemployed and illegals are kissing O'Dumbass and the Bitch of the House Pelosi's ass. I dont know about you but every chance I get im voting Republican when it comes to Senate and Representatives being up for election in the future. Hopefully the governor races in Virginia and New Jersey are a sign of what is going to happen down the road for the worthless and clueless Democratic party. Alot of people are saying that no one could do a worse job than Bush did when he was in office. I think O'Dumbass is making people wish they voted for McCain instead. O'Dumbass didnt get my vote in 08 and sure the hell isnt in 12. If this ridiculous health insurance bill makes it all the way through its a shame that unemployed people who are milking the system and illegals are going to get health insurance. But I guess this is the O'Dumbass way of life. Wonder what O'Dumbass is going to do next? Maybe invite Bin Laden and the rest of his posse over to the White House for Thanksgiving dinner and of course drink some beer with O'Dumbass.

I'm not in favor of the bill but the ironic thing is that if illegal aliens got health insurance and had to pay for it, that would probably be fairer than what we have right now. Right now, they don't pay for insurance and they get free medical care. My housekeeper had colon cancer several years ago before I knew her. She had no insurance and she got totally free treatment.

Do you know what most illegal aliens do right now if they get sick? They go to the emergency room and get free treatment. Emergency rooms can't turn anyone down.

If they're going to get free treatment, they should at least have to pay something into the system.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I'm not in favor of the bill but the ironic thing is that if illegal aliens got health insurance and had to pay for it, that would probably be fairer than what we have right now. Right now, they don't pay for insurance and they get free medical care. My housekeeper had colon cancer several years ago before I knew her. She had no insurance and she got totally free treatment.

Do you know what most illegal aliens do right now if they get sick? They go to the emergency room and get free treatment. Emergency rooms can't turn anyone down.

If they're going to get free treatment, they should at least have to pay something into the system.

it might cost some people nothing, but that care is far from free. it's why the rest of us pay $400-500 for an e.r. visit. it's also why i do my best not to go to the e.r. when tony broke his heel we went to our doctor since we knew he had an x-ray machine, and that the hospital here couldn't do a thing for him if it was broken. no ortho on staff, they'd have sent us elsewhere. when my oldest broke his arm, they said yep, it's broken-where do you want to go? and then they charged more for their e.r. then the hospital did that actually treated him! it's one hell of a system.

and yeah, obama says no coverage for illegals, but as you say, they'd just go to the e.r. you may as well allow them copays for the doctors, it would be cheaper that way.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I'm not in favor of the bill but the ironic thing is that if illegal aliens got health insurance and had to pay for it, that would probably be fairer than what we have right now. Right now, they don't pay for insurance and they get free medical care. My housekeeper had colon cancer several years ago before I knew her. She had no insurance and she got totally free treatment.

Do you know what most illegal aliens do right now if they get sick? They go to the emergency room and get free treatment. Emergency rooms can't turn anyone down.

If they're going to get free treatment, they should at least have to pay something into the system.

I will admit you raise a good point. Getting something is better than getting nothing. Do you really think an illegal alien deserves to have same benefits as an American citizen?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

I will admit you raise a good point. Getting something is better than getting nothing. Do you really think an illegal alien deserves to have same benefits as an American citizen?

they don't have the same benefits. but how can you turn away an emergency, regardless of who they are? they're still a human being-you can't just let them lay outside the door, can you?