Harlem Rocker Not In Dywer?

CSC · #1 07-03-2008, 01:16 PM

If anyone still cares, HR apparently is going to pass on the Dywer to compete at Fort Erie in the second jewel of the Canadian Triple Crown, The Prince Of Wales Stakes. Fort Erie is a traditional dirt track unlike the poly at Woodbine.

Indian Charlie · #2 07-03-2008, 01:31 PM

Cool, that ensures the Dwyer is another fine claiming stakes.

CSC · #3 07-03-2008, 01:41 PM

Well I used the "apparently" because Frank Stronach make the decisions and nothing is written in stone when it comes to him. But it seems to be where they are going.

Echo Farm · #4 07-03-2008, 03:37 PM

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Well I used the "apparently" because Frank Stronach make the decisions and nothing is written in stone when it comes to him. But it seems to be where they are going.

Frank's not pleased that Ginger Brew was beat in the Queensplate. Harlem Rocker has done well at a Mile or less, but is thought to be the only hope for breaking the TC at this time. Not sure he's ready for 1 3/16 miles.

Hopefully, they'll ship him in early enough to get acclimated, though. At the QP he arrived early Friday morning for a Sunday race, after 10+ hours in a van.

eajinabi · #5 07-03-2008, 09:40 PM

I see this horse having a quiet 3 yo season then watch out for his 4 yo season cause he is going to be leader of the handicap divison next year

RolloTomasi · #6 07-03-2008, 10:35 PM

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I see this horse having a quiet 3 yo season then watch out for his 4 yo season cause he is going to be leader of the handicap divison next year

Yeah, and I've got Behindatthebar penciled in as next year's champion sprinter.

Hasn't Harlem Rocker made too much noise already media-wise (without much to back it up) to have a quiet 3yo season? If Pletcher can't get him out of the barn and winning this summer he's an almost total write-off next year save for a flashy allowance comeback in Florida followed by a odds-on loss in the Westchester or Salvator Mile.

eajinabi · #7 07-03-2008, 11:25 PM

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Yeah, and I've got Behindatthebar penciled in as next year's champion sprinter.

Hasn't Harlem Rocker made too much noise already media-wise (without much to back it up) to have a quiet 3yo season? If Pletcher can't get him out of the barn and winning this summer he's an almost total write-off next year save for a flashy allowance comeback in Florida followed by a odds-on loss in the Westchester or Salvator Mile.

Relax. HR has raced 4 times only. Can we pencil him a failure with 4 races behind him?? He has won 3 out 4 mind you. He will put him in easy spots this year to give him some foundation then we will see his true starting early next yr,

jcs11204 · #8 07-03-2008, 11:37 PM

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Relax. HR has raced 4 times only. Can we pencil him a failure with 4 races behind him?? He has won 3 out 4 mind you. He will put him in easy spots this year to give him some foundation then we will see his true starting early next yr,

he gets a lot of hype for NOTHING

SniperSB23 · #9 07-03-2008, 11:41 PM

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he gets a lot of hype for NOTHING

you or Harlem Rocker?

jcs11204 · #10 07-03-2008, 11:43 PM

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you or Harlem Rocker?

I GET NO HYPE,
but really what has he done ?
he beat a sprinter, a good sprinter, but one that does not want to stretch out.

SniperSB23 · #11 07-04-2008, 12:00 AM

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I GET NO HYPE,
but really what has he done ?
he beat a sprinter, a good sprinter, but one that does not want to stretch out.

He ran a good race against a horse that came back and validated that race and then flopped on the polycrap in a completely meaningless race. Had he gone in the Dwyer now he'd romp by 10. Instead he might win or lose in Fort Erie and no one will care.

jcs11204 · #12 07-04-2008, 12:23 AM

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He ran a good race against a horse that came back and validated that race and then flopped on the polycrap in a completely meaningless race. Had he gone in the Dwyer now he'd romp by 10. Instead he might win or lose in Fort Erie and no one will care.

HE BEAT A SPRINTER

eajinabi · #13 07-04-2008, 12:38 AM

wait and see

RolloTomasi · #14 07-04-2008, 01:23 AM

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Relax. HR has raced 4 times only. Can we pencil him a failure with 4 races behind him?? He has won 3 out 4 mind you.

I'm just in the initial stages of a valium addiction so excuse me if my posts are the internet equivalent of hair-pulling and other forms of self-mutilation. That aside, can we make a few educated assumptions as to why a Todd Pletcher 3yo, with a lot of hype and potential, only has 4 races behind him? See the career of Half Ours or Forest Danger for further details.

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He will put him in easy spots this year to give him some foundation then we will see his true starting early next yr,

Yes, that has been the Pletcher way for decades now,...

Aside from the ill-fated, and very inconsistent Left Bank and Lawyer Ron, who we all know was not in his care at 2 or 3 years, what top older horses has Pletcher campaigned?

TheSpyder · #15 07-04-2008, 04:46 AM

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Putting things in all caps doesn't strengthen your arguement.

someone wake up on the wrong side of the bed?

3kings · #16 07-04-2008, 04:57 AM

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I woke up on the "I'm tired of reading PG1985's uninformed opinion" side of the bed this morning.

I laughed.

dalakhani · #17 07-04-2008, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

I'm just in the initial stages of a valium addiction so excuse me if my posts are the internet equivalent of hair-pulling and other forms of self-mutilation. That aside, can we make a few educated assumptions as to why a Todd Pletcher 3yo, with a lot of hype and potential, only has 4 races behind him? See the career of Half Ours or Forest Danger for further details.

Yes, that has been the Pletcher way for decades now,...

Aside from the ill-fated, and very inconsistent Left Bank and Lawyer Ron, who we all know was not in his care at 2 or 3 years, what top older horses has Pletcher campaigned?

Balto Star, speightstown, ashado, english channel

parsixfarms · #18 07-04-2008, 10:50 AM

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Balto Star, speightstown, ashado, english channel

You forgot to mention A.P. Arrow.

CSC · #19 07-04-2008, 11:19 AM

Honey Ryder, Go Deputy

dalakhani · #20 07-04-2008, 12:13 PM

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You forgot to mention A.P. Arrow.

Its sad when you can mention that name and have it be fact. AP Arrow is a top older horse.

In fairness to Rolo, I know he meant handicap dirt route horses but didnt specify. And to that point, i have no answer.