2/24 (GP): Fountain of Youth (Gr. II)

[IrishofNDMan]

we can go back to an earlier thread about the most overtalked 3 yr olds this year where I said Anak Nakal.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Elysium Fields for me. I think it's his coming out party.

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

I'm been high on him as well. An inside post would've been nice.

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

I've settled on Cool Coal Man as my top choice. Running style fits the distance perfectly. The upgrade to Desormeaux doesn't hurt either.

*pats self on back furiously*

*struts*

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Oh BF, are we supposed to quote ourselves

those are the only posts i read!

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

He was a fraud going in and a lot worse going out.

First of all, his only race on dirt was very weak. He beat a terrible field with a perfect trip, and secondly " gallop outs " are extremely misleading and misunderstood. It's one thing with a firster who's going too short if he really gallops out strongly but for Monba in California all he was doing was running faster than others being eased up after the race was over.

I think you nailed this on the head. If a horse closes significantly in a race that doesn't come back, then you certainly make note of the effort. If a horse closes the best in a race where 5 of 11 (excluding the winner) are ALSO gaining late, why is there a need to take note? About the best you can say is that he was the BEST of the CLOSERS.

[ArlJim78]

Elysium Fields ran huge. Cool Coal Man got the jump on him and caught Coa napping, but he just kept rolling once asked. Considering the wide trip, he is the one that impressed me most in that bunch.

Posted by DaHoss:

I like another Tagg colt Elysium Fields.

Damn good call from a while back.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

*pats self on back furiously*

*struts*

This is great.

[pick4]

Originally Posted by justindew

I retimed the race three times, and got 1:49 4/5.

Take a look at DRF charts and you'll see that they timed the race in 1:49 2/5.

http://www.drf.com/drfPDFChartRacesI...=20080224&RN=9

[wac]

With that time what kind of beyer are they going to give the winner?

[justindew]

Originally Posted by pick4

Take a look at DRF charts and you'll see that they timed the race in 1:49 2/5.

http://www.drf.com/drfPDFChartRacesI...=20080224&RN=9

Yeah, I timed it with the stopwatch feature on my cellphone. Not shocked I was off slightly.

[pick4]

see below

[pick4]

Unless Beyer & Associates updated the time to par chart a 1:49 2/5 is a 108. If the varient was 0 and there was no atmospheric change MSW winner Cosmic would have ran a 99.

Since there was 6 1/2 lengths seperation between Cosmic and Truth Rules my guess is we're looking at somewhere between 97 and a 101 for the FOY.

[pick4]

Originally Posted by justindew

Yeah, I timed it with the stopwatch feature on my cellphone. Not shocked I was off slightly.

This was a big screw up with their timer and this has happened many times before at GP. I was shocked but pleasantly surprised to see DRF's chart. The race seemed more taxing on the front runners than the slow splits displayed.

[Cajungator26]

Cool Coal Man - 90
War Pass - 102

Originally Posted by miraja2

Now I just have to hope that nobody notices that I left out the one where I said I thought Anak Nakal would win.

$2 of my money. DOWN THE CRAPPER!

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by easy goer

$2 of my money. DOWN THE CRAPPER!

$2... LMFAO

[ninetoone]

Were the times only off for the FOY, or other races as well?

[pick4]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Cool Coal Man - 90
War Pass - 102

The Beyer chart I'm looking at was printed in Beyer On Speed so it might have been updated but you giving a -18 route and a +1 varient for these two races. Cosmic running an 81 make sense. The winner of the 2nd Battle Tank with a 79 fits in.The fillies in race 6 figures to be in the ballpark.

Unless you heard it from the BSF fig makers your guesstimates make sense.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by pick4

The Beyer chart I'm looking at was printed in Beyer On Speed so it might have been updated but you giving a -18 route and a +1 varient for these two races. Cosmic running an 81 make sense. The winner of the 2nd Battle Tank with a 79 fits in.The fillies in race 6 figures to be in the ballpark.

Unless you heard it from the BSF fig makers your guesstimates make sense.

I heard those were the first computations. Cosmic received a 93.

[IrishofNDMan]

I'm on the Kentucky Derby facebook group and the Zayat boy is pulling out all the excuses. He gives me credit for picking Cool Coal Man, but says the slow fractions show him that it was not an impressive race. I then send him the DRF Chart link, and post the correct fractions and he goes on to say how it is crap they changed the fractions and there is noway they were going that fast because if they were those horses would have died on the lead and Z Humor or Court Vision would have won.

I know he wants his horse to win, but is he serious here?