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gales0678 · #61 03-17-2010, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by prudery

Shireffs would have Zenyatta ready ... Just like off the seven month layoff when she faced LIS first out last year .

There was no sinister " retirement " plot--what are you a fooking conspiracist ???

Moss wants run against Rachel, but NOBODY wants Rachel to run when she is not ready .

The question is--what is ready ??? And when ????

She should have benefitted from her prep race, and whether she accepted running in the AB or not, should be training for something, not going backwards .

The OUTCOME of this prep for Rachel was the determining factor--not fitness, not equipment, simply the outcome.

Had she won by 11--as is suggested had Zardana passed, the AB would be on, and it would not be a fair race for Rachel .

Keeping a horse on top of their game is an obvious goal . Preserving wins is also, but has the downside of being critiqued as avoiding hard competion .

This has been said about Zenyatta, and at times I do agree ...

It has never been said about Rachel, but it needs to said now .

Zenyatta was retired that is a fact , don't confuse the folks here with anything else , she was retired and then un-retired

randallscott35 · #62 03-17-2010, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by gales0678

Zenyatta was retired that is a fact , don't confuse the folks here with anything else , she was retired and then un-retired

I hope when I retire I don't have to go back to work anymore.

Theatrical · #63 03-17-2010, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by gales0678

Zenyatta was retired that is a fact , don't confuse the folks here with anything else , she was retired and then un-retired

Geez, so it's Z and her connections who are to blame for RA's defeat on Saturday and consequently, missing the AB. I am totally amazed this thinking that connections of another horse has so much influence on RA and what her connections choose for her. A few days after 01/16th, when Mr. Moss announced Z would run in 2010, her first two tentative races were announced. In JANUARY. Mr. Cella and the media undertook trying to get the two mares together at that point, since both had raced there, dirt, etc. JJ/SA initially said RA would not be ready. Should have stayed with that instead of playing a PR game that backfired. I am sorry that RA lost, but it's not about her loss for me. It is how she looked. I hope her connections can get things headed in the right direction.

However, this blame crap because she lost is beyond ridiculous. Take it up with JJ or dial him up and leave him a message. He's who some of you need to talk to. His name is on RA's papers, not Jerry Moss nor John Shirreffs.

The Indomitable DrugS · #64 03-17-2010, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Theatrical

Geez, so it's Z and her connections who are to blame for RA's defeat on Saturday and consequently, missing the AB.

No.

She is only the sole horse to blame for this horse not winning a Grade 1 stakes race ...

I am a big fan of history ... and would have loved to see a horse who was 4th or worse in 6 races in a row - and 10 out of the last 11 win a Grade 1.

I have no problem that her connections "retired" her but kept her in full training. Strategic misdirection of the populace for a greater good. I'd have done the same. It seems to bother Gales though.

10 pnt move up · #65 03-17-2010, 02:07 PM

I know what her prior record is but I thought Dance to My Tune ran HUGE last saturday, she was kinda unlucky to lose.

The Indomitable DrugS · #66 03-17-2010, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I know what her prior record is but I thought Dance to My Tune ran HUGE last saturday, she was kinda unlucky to lose.

She did run huge ... she set a very strong pace and held on gamely for a horse stretching out 2.5 furlongs in distance. I'm not exactly impressed with what was behind her though.

If McPeak had run My Baby Baby ... she probably would have beat Dance to My Tune very soundly.

MisterB · #67 03-17-2010, 02:34 PM

Baffert is a horse prodigy type of person. He can see and smell a good and bad horse from a mile away. He likes to eye up the competion in the morning, besides his own horse flesh. He reminds me of a well trained circus animal.

Indian Charlie · #68 03-17-2010, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I would bet my life she doesn't go there. Nor should she.

She's not obligated to do anything right now.

She ran in the Breeders Cup Classic against Gio Ponti and that 3rd place finisher from Europe that struggled with the turn and got the giant sheet number in the race.

Rachel Alexandra's connections have ducked her ... ON DIRT .. not the other way around.

If Rachel Alexandra wants to face her before the BC ... let her come out to California and run 10 furlongs on synthetic... she'll embaress herself doing that.

I was not implying anything at all. I just think it would be an interesting spot for her.

The Indomitable DrugS · #69 03-17-2010, 04:00 PM

When you're trying to protect a flawless record ... the interesting spots are back home against Misremembered and Jeranimo at 10fs on synthetic in a pair of races you ducked last year.

They aren't in Chicago - against males - on a surface you haven't tried (but will probably love) - in a race that might feature true Grade 1 caliber males.

RockHardTen1985 · #70 03-17-2010, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

When you're trying to protect a flawless record ... the interesting spots are back home against Misremembered and Jeranimo at 10fs on synthetic in a pair of races you ducked last year.

They aren't in Chicago - against males - on a surface you haven't tried (but will probably love) - in a race that might feature true Grade 1 caliber males.

Baffert has said Misremembered is better on dirt, I beleive he is pointing for the Oaklawn Handicap, then the Stephen Foster... He did run in the Clark last year at Churchill and of course BC is there this year.

prudery · #71 03-17-2010, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by gales0678

Zenyatta was retired that is a fact , don't confuse the folks here with anything else , she was retired and then un-retired

Folks are already confused--fans and writers alike ...

Don't drag up that " unretired " stuff again Mr Original ...

Some of us knew she was never retired, and that an emotional outburst was interpreted as such by the press after the BCC .

Shove your cut and pastes--Moss' words after the BCC were " what more can she do ? "

I don't care what was said after the fact--the mare dictated what was the future here .

And it had NOTHING to do with what I posted whatsoever .

You are free to have your own interpretations and opinions, but do not shove them down my throat as fact, ad nauseum--they are not ...

The Indomitable DrugS · #72 03-17-2010, 06:29 PM

I assume Neko Bay will also move to dirt and run in the Oaklawn Park Handicap?

gales0678 · #73 03-17-2010, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Theatrical

Geez, so it's Z and her connections who are to blame for RA's defeat on Saturday and consequently, missing the AB. I am totally amazed this thinking that connections of another horse has so much influence on RA and what her connections choose for her. A few days after 01/16th, when Mr. Moss announced Z would run in 2010, her first two tentative races were announced. In JANUARY. Mr. Cella and the media undertook trying to get the two mares together at that point, since both had raced there, dirt, etc. JJ/SA initially said RA would not be ready. Should have stayed with that instead of playing a PR game that backfired. I am sorry that RA lost, but it's not about her loss for me. It is how she looked. I hope her connections can get things headed in the right direction.

However, this blame crap because she lost is beyond ridiculous. Take it up with JJ or dial him up and leave him a message. He's who some of you need to talk to. His name is on RA's papers, not Jerry Moss nor John Shirreffs.

there is no blame on the loss, she got beat fair and square

what the story doesn't tell is that if SA had total control the "accelerated" training program would not have happened and she wouldn't have been pushed too hard too early to make the race , i'm glad she lost because now JJ could at least be talked into saving her for later in the year once the trainer gets to do his job the correct way (assuming she is not hurt)

if Z didn't retire maybe they would have brought her back earlier than late Jan
and her training would have been much much further along so as to be able to make a matchup race in early spring

The Indomitable DrugS · #74 03-17-2010, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by prudery

Some of us knew she was never retired, and that an emotional outburst was interpreted as such by the press after the BCC .

http://thebsreport.wordpress.com/200...ially-retired/

prudery · #75 03-17-2010, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

http://thebsreport.wordpress.com/200...ially-retired/

Please--not this again---PRESS SAID THIS...

If you buy all the press says have done with it--I know I am .

And even it it were true-Jackson and Asmussen are big boys not to be coerced by the alleged second best horse " resuming " training..

I did this here already---redundancy is just that .

Neither Moss nor Shireffs were clear about this, but the press was ...

Finis ...

RockHardTen1985 · #76 03-17-2010, 06:57 PM

What if Quality Road was healthy ALL last year?

DaTruth · #77 03-17-2010, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by prudery

Please--not this again---PRESS SAID THIS...

If you buy all the press says have done with it--I know I am .

And even it it were true-Jackson and Asmussen are big boys not to be coerced by the alleged second best horse " resuming " training..

I did this here already---redundancy is just that .

Neither Moss nor Shireffs were clear about this, but the press was ...

Finis ...

Those liars in the press. Making up quotes.

“It was very emotional when I retired her because I thought she absolutely did as much as any horse could do in their career,” Moss said of Zenyatta, who is unbeaten in 14 races.

Emphasis mine.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/17/sp...7zenyatta.html

The Indomitable DrugS · #78 03-17-2010, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by prudery

Please--not this again---PRESS SAID THIS...

They threw a day for her announcing offical retirement ...

They had her paraded in between stakes races ....

They renamed a stakes race named after Lady's Secret after her ...

It wasn't till Mid January when she was offically unretired.

I think it's great that they brought her back. Obviously she was never retired ... so who were they trying to fool? By they, I mean the press of course.

Sightseek · #79 03-17-2010, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

He wouldn't.

Putting myself as the decision maker in Jess Jackson's camp ... I might have done exactly what he did after the FG race .. but only with the intent of lying to the public and going forward with preperations to make the race.

The reasons for doing so would be two fold ...

1.) I'm not sure Shirreffs will have Zenyatta as cranked up for a 500K race as a 1/9 favorite as he might for a $5 million race for the title of Female wonder horse. Shirreffs is one of about only a single trainer ever to train who I think really can crank one up for a main objective.

2.) I think Zardana is certain to go in the race if RA does .. but very likely won't if Zenyatta does. If you enter RA at the last possible second - you might be able to keep Zardana away. An added bonus.

People aren't going to care that you lied in a press statement .. they just want to see the race and they'll assume RA is training well and you've merely changed your mind. That won't happen. Minds don't come as twisted as mine.

You really are twisted.

the_fat_man · #80 03-17-2010, 07:07 PM

This is what happens when the 3rd stringer in a barn beats the reigning HOY (and SPEED disciple darling). All the followers are left with is making a stink about whether Z was 'officially' retired or not. Who gives a ****? Z's caddy just dusted the HOY --- basically gutted her --- so much so that her connections have thrown in the towel. They don't want their FAST HOY to get roughed up any more.

I can dig that. The 2 Z's in tandem would put such a beating on the FAST HOY that she'd never want to come out of her stall again.

Yeah, all the rest of this **** is peripheral --- the real issue is whether or not Z was 'officially' retired.