Past Posting Proven once again.....perhaps 49 combinations of one race!!

[golfer]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I doubt it happened that way. More than likely it was on an automatic telller machine. You punch in your ticket but don't log out, your horse breaks poor and you hit cancel. I'm sure people do it all the time and 99% of the time the pools close properly and it doesn't work. In this instance the pool stayed open long enough that the cancel worked.

I have never seen an automatic teller machine that has the cancel function once you have printed the ticket. I have punched out thousands of my own tickets, and the only way to cancel is to take it to a live teller.
If you wait to print the ticket for a few seconds after the break, that would be similar, but not quite the same as cancelling an already live ticket.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by golfer

I have never seen an automatic teller machine that has the cancel function once you have printed the ticket. I have punched out thousands of my own tickets, and the only way to cancel is to take it to a live teller.
If you wait to print the ticket for a few seconds after the break, that would be similar, but not quite the same as cancelling an already live ticket.

You can cancel them yourself here now, as long as it is before 1mtp, at the automatic teller machines.

[golfer]

Originally Posted by Scav

You can cancel them yourself here now, as long as it is before 1mtp, at the automatic teller machines.

You've got better machines than we do here in Jacksonville, we can't

[Scav]

Originally Posted by golfer

You've got better machines than we do here in Jacksonville, we can't

Yeah, we just got the feature I think last year when Arlington started. I think if your ticket is over $500 you have to go to the teller also.

We are getting these new machines now where you can bet off your Twin Spires Club card, no tickets at all. It is a good feature for me because I am probably the most hilarious person with tickets, lose them all the time, although we haven't had one recently. Largest voucher I lost was for $412, that wasn't a good day.

I don't think those machines will be that popular because people like holding a ticket, and then showing everyone they had it.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by golfer

You've got better machines than we do here in Jacksonville, we can't

Tampa too, we have relics.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I doubt it happened that way. More than likely it was on an automatic telller machine. You punch in your ticket but don't log out, your horse breaks poor and you hit cancel. I'm sure people do it all the time and 99% of the time the pools close properly and it doesn't work. In this instance the pool stayed open long enough that the cancel worked.

I'll try that at Keeneland meet, just to see if it works (enter a horse to win, cancel just after the break) ... there are machines where I can readily see the break happen live for certain races.

Now, that's another thing I've noticed. I've seen where both Youbet and Xpressbet have a 1-2 second delay - or not - in the telecast of races vs. live. It varies, it's not consistent. I've watched many a race on Xpressbet or Youbet play out with the "live" call via "At The Races" (I'm listening via computer feed) on delay - but to hear the race feed via ATR play with the video on Xpressbet or Youbet delayed is weird.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Mumtaz

I'll try that at Keeneland meet, just to see if it works (enter a horse to win, cancel just after the break) ... there are machines where I can readily see the break happen live for certain races.

Now, that's another thing I've noticed. I've seen where both Youbet and Xpressbet have a 1-2 second delay - or not - in the telecast of races vs. live. It varies, it's not consistent. I've watched many a race on Xpressbet or Youbet play out with the "live" call via "At The Races" (I'm listening via computer feed) on delay - but to hear the race feed via ATR play with the video on Xpressbet or Youbet delayed is weird.

Youbet video is delayed longer than TVG which is at least 10 seconds behind live.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Mumtaz

I dunno, Hoss - that 5 seconds includes the break, initial observation (1-3 seconds?) then decision to cancel, and then getting the bet successfully canceled. Tight timeline.

I've seen it done many times before.

It's much easier to do when no one is there. It's a piece of cake in an empty or near empty room.

If it's a busy day it's much harder - if so, the way it's done is that the teller holds the ticket, he closes his window as post time approaches (excuse like having to go to the bathroom, or having to check money for a short)

He watches the break from the big screen right in front of him, and if the horse doesn't break well, it's about 1/20 that he gets the ticket cancelled.

Hell, I've seen someone do double cancels with 100% accuracy before.

If you get a trotter race with breakers - and two dominant horses both at like 7/5 odds or so. Which you do is bet them both to win for the same amount. If one of them hasn't broke by the time the race starts, you cancel them both.

If one of them has broke you cancel only the breaker and you have an edge.

The person who did it told me he practiced a lot with $2 show tickets until he got it down pat where he never messed up.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I doubt it happened that way. More than likely it was on an automatic telller machine. You punch in your ticket but don't log out, your horse breaks poor and you hit cancel. I'm sure people do it all the time and 99% of the time the pools close properly and it doesn't work. In this instance the pool stayed open long enough that the cancel worked.

I think most tracks and OTBs have done away with the 5 second window, which I believe was time meant for tellers to cancel a last second mistake.

I bet from home now - so I don't know for sure.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I think most tracks and OTBs have done away with the 5 second window, which I believe was time meant for tellers to cancel a last second mistake.

I bet from home now - so I don't know for sure.

You actually bet ?


I ran into an old friend of yours who says you dont bet...

His name.........

























Smokey Stover

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Any year now your Smokey Stover jokes will start getting old.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Any year now your Smokey Stover jokes will start getting old.

There are 2 things certain in the world.....


The sun rises in the East....


Busting on you about Smokey Stover will NEVER get old.....

I bet via machine at the track and watch the odds.
You just put all your stuff in and wait to hit the button and make
the bet. If the odds stay as I like, I punch Print ticket, if they change,
I dont print. Its easy if you find an empty place with a TV, which
I have.

On a few (3 or 4) occassions I have hit print ticket late, after the horses got
off on accident, and got a bet through. The vast majority of the time
I get shut out.

So there is a glitch in the system somewhere with machines..
Last one I can remember would have been about
4 weeks ago while betting... I believe it was Sam Houston.

Anyone else have this happen?

This was/is a very interesting thread,
I was waiting to see if anyone had my experience
but I dont think I read any so far.

[Riot]

The person who did it told me he practiced a lot with $2 show tickets until he got it down pat where he never messed up.

I think your scenario makes alot of sense, especially w/Standardbreds.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Youbet video is delayed longer than TVG which is at least 10 seconds behind live.

So if the video is delayed to the ADW, and I can bet up until the video shows gate opening on my ADW at times - does that mean I am dumping into the pool long seconds after the real gate has opened at the track and the race is underway?

Sounds like it.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Mumtaz

So if the video is delayed to the ADW, and I can bet up until the video shows gate opening on my ADW at times - does that mean I am dumping into the pool long seconds after the real gate has opened at the track and the race is underway?

Sounds like it.

I had on the 2nd at OP on the computer and on HRTV at the same time today. TV was at least 10 seconds faster.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmfhb411

until we figure out how to shut down any chance of past-posting
( regardless of whether it's a bet or a cancellation ),
my idea ( see post 9-this thread ) is the best one available.

I keep telling you that they tried your idea and got so many complaints that they scraped it. At least come up with an original idea

[Scav]

Originally Posted by cmfhb411

until we figure out how to shut down any chance of past-posting
( regardless of whether it's a bet or a cancellation ),
my idea ( see post 9-this thread ) is the best one available.

Arlington tried this after the P6 scandal, and people were livid, and rightfully so.

All these bozo's need to do is spend some money on technology and everything would be fixed. A simple sensor would solve ALL these problems.

[Riot]

All these bozo's need to do is spend some money on technology and everything would be fixed. A simple sensor would solve ALL these problems.

You are in the wrong major in school

[golfer]

The one horse in the last race at Aqueduct was 4-1 when the gate opened, 7-2 at the half mile pole, and 3-1 down the stretch, while winning by a handful.