Definite Derby Throw Outs - Page 2

Scav · #1 04-22-2008, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Not at all. It's not like you thought Spring House had a chance to hit the board in that turf race in Dubai, 'sup DrugS.

And you are right, Cool Coal Man did have good trips in his 2 races at Gulfstream. But Anak Nakal has been pretty bad since he fell into the win in the KY jockey Club. Like Travis said, at his odds, it's hard for me or anyone else to talk you off him, but I don't see it.

My only angle is this, maybe Zito hasn't tighten the screws. He has been making moves and flattening out.

I mean, listen, he got a great trip in his win at Churchill, but I just don't think people can toss him given his pedigree, his win at Churchill, expected trip, and the assumption that Zito has taken his time with him given the fact that he had the earnings to do so

hockey2315 · #2 04-22-2008, 02:28 PM

I won't deny that Cool Coal Man got pretty nice set-ups in his two wins this year, but I think he's a horse who makes his own trip. He's got nice stalking speed and I like that he'll be forwardly placed in the derby but not TOO close to a pace that COULD be fast or may turn out to be more moderate than some of us expect. I also thought that he made a VERY nice move in the FoY. He's got a win at CD where he beat Recapturetheglory pretty easily, he's 2-for-2 at 9F on dirt and has the pedigree to run all day. His 98 BSF stacks up pretty well with this group and he'll be a pretty big price. Sold yet?

Cajungator26 · #3 04-22-2008, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

I won't deny that Cool Coal Man got pretty nice set-ups in his two wins this year, but I think he's a horse who makes his own trip. He's got nice stalking speed and I like that he'll be forwardly placed in the derby but not TOO close to a pace that COULD be fast or may turn out to be more moderate than some of us expect. I also thought that he made a VERY nice move in the FoY. He's got a win at CD where he beat Recapturetheglory pretty easily, he's 2-for-2 at 9F on dirt and has the pedigree to run all day. His 98 BSF stacks up pretty well with this group and he'll be a pretty big price. Sold yet?

I'm tossing him.

Danzig · #4 04-22-2008, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I agree. Especially because he likes Anak Nakal, who seems like a total toss to me. And I know he won at Churchill, but he basically lucked into a perfect trip.

me three, cool coal man before many.

KirisClown · #5 04-22-2008, 01:34 PM

Any filly that decides to run...

hockey2315 · #6 04-22-2008, 01:51 PM

Definite tosses no matter what:

Anak Nakal
Behindatthebar
Big Truck
Bob Blackjack
Court Vision
Cowboy Cal
Recapturetheglory
Visionaire
Z Humor

and possibly Adriano

Only for the bottom of TRIs:

Eight Belles
Gayego
Monba
Tale of Ekati

slotdirt · #7 04-22-2008, 01:59 PM

Didn't we just have this thread last week?

GPK · #8 04-22-2008, 02:44 PM

I can think of about 20 horses that I feel fairly comfortable in saying they have no shot to win.

I have taken off work every Derby day for the past 5 years...not this year. Zero interest in any of this group. Just a bunch of slow horses.

ateamstupid · #9 04-22-2008, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK

I can think of about 20 horses that I feel fairly comfortable in saying they have no shot to win.

I have taken off work every Derby day for the past 5 years...not this year. Zero interest in any of this group. Just a bunch of slow horses.

It's the Derby and you have a pulse. You'll be calling in.

GPK · #10 04-22-2008, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

It's the Derby and you have a pulse. You'll be calling in.

OK....so I MIGHT stop by the OTB on the way home to watch it after work. But I'm not taking the full day off and sitting at the OTB all day, as I have years past. Already gonna be gone 3 days that week for a golf tournament in Maryland. Not gonna waste a vacation day on this years Derby.

That whole pulse thing is questionable at times though...

cowgirlintexas · #11 04-22-2008, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK

I can think of about 20 horses that I feel fairly comfortable in saying they have no shot to win.

I have taken off work every Derby day for the past 5 years...not this year. Zero interest in any of this group. Just a bunch of slow horses.

Same here Kev.. This will be my first year to work as well. Course I will be off in time to watch the race, but I won't be doing the "Breakfast at Churchill" and counting down the hours 'till I heat up that Cheese Queso...

GPK · #12 04-22-2008, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

deltagulf · #13 04-22-2008, 02:52 PM

they might be slow but that is all we have for derby. and one horse will win
if slow are not.

tiggerv · #14 04-22-2008, 02:56 PM

Fair enough although not sold. I don't think he will get the pace nor trip he needs to seriously contend. The Derby pace may not be blistering but it is never slow.

I wouldn't advocate throwing him out based on the pedigree and trainer but he would need a big move forward to hit the board.

Hickory Hill Hoff · #15 04-22-2008, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSpyder

Not sure this will be any easier but since picking the standout winner in near impossible, who will you definately throw out of your picks and why?

Let the fun begin.

Spyder

ALL the "slow" horses

fpsoxfan · #16 04-22-2008, 04:56 PM

There's no doubt that this is not a great Derby Field. But the pulse thing is a little over the top. Derby Day is a blast. I don't care if there's 10 donkeys going into the gate, it's going to be exciting. This will be my 20th Derby since I began following horses and there hasn't been a year when "Derby Day" hasn't been a good time.

Even if someone doesn't like the Derby itself, how about the undercard?
If people really feel this way about the Derby than maybe you're in the wrong sport.

ateamstupid · #17 04-22-2008, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

There's no doubt that this is not a great Derby Field. But the pulse thing is a little over the top. Derby Day is a blast. I don't care if there's 10 donkeys going into the gate, it's going to be exciting. This will be my 20th Derby since I began following horses and there hasn't been a year when "Derby Day" hasn't been a good time.

Even if someone doesn't like the Derby itself, how about the undercard?
If people really feel this way about the Derby than maybe you're in the wrong sport.

If you're referring to what I said, I don't think you understand what I meant.

My point was that Derby day is awesome and if you have a pulse, you'll enjoy it regardless of how crappy the field is.

fpsoxfan · #18 04-22-2008, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

If you're referring to what I said, I don't think you understand what I meant.

My point was that Derby day is awesome and if you have a pulse, you'll enjoy it regardless of how crappy the field is.

No, not you or anyone specifically, I was more or less referring to comments I've heard in general about this being a crappy derby.

Hickory Hill Hoff · #19 04-22-2008, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

No, not you or anyone specifically, I was more or less referring to comments I've heard in general about this being a crappy derby.

Kentucky Derby is never crappy....nor is the "new & improved" F.P. O.T.B.!

TheSpyder · #20 04-22-2008, 05:23 PM

I totally agree...it's like the Masters. Oh course this years Masters is alot like this years Derby....not an exciting field with leaders from unknown parts of the sport.

Anyway, as someone said the undercard usually is great and lots of great races leading up to the Derby and by the time they sing Old Kentucky Home I'll have a pick and be ready for a great race.

Spyder

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Originally Posted by Cardus

Derby Day is the best, period.

It beats Breeders' Cup Day by a mile.