More proof D Wayne has lost whatever it was

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Back when I was a newby in SoCal, there was a local stallion named Windsor Ruler. He made only one lifetime start and finished off the board. He had been a promising 2yo but had gotten hurt; his people had believed enough in him to try to bring him back at 4, but he was re-injured in his come-back race. While I was out there, he sired two G1-type winners - Solar Salute (Santa Anita Derby) and Opening Bid (Santa Susana=SA Oaks).

Point is, very lightly-raced horses may have been cut out to be good ones but never got the chance to show it on the track for one or another reason, while retaining the genetic 'good stuff.' Not every lightly raced horse, of course. However one has to leave oneself open to the possibility that such a stallion could sire a really good runner, seemly out of the blue.

I don't want to keep arguing this forever, and I certainly do see your point, but in the case of Flying First Class both his sire and his broodmare sire would be coming from "out-of-the-blue." At least the broodmare sire of Solar Salute and Opening Bid was a multiple stakes winner.
My original point was not that it is impossible, but that it is pretty rare.

Originally Posted by smartyalex

“Preparing Flying First Class for the Rebel was not one of my best training jobs,” trainer D. Wayne Lukas said. “He won his last race so easily, I thought we were farther along in his training. I didn’t ask enough of him, and obviously he got tired. I won’t get caught that way again.”
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Lukas said he plans to bring Flying First Class back once more at Oaklawn, possibly in the Arkansas Derby.

Pray for Flying First class.

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by point given

Pray for Flying First class.

At least I didn't take him in my RTTR stable. I've had one die on the track for me more years than not - Midway Cat, Snack, that all-weather horse from Britain who broke down in the Wood. Okay so far this year, fingers crossed.

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

At least I didn't take him in my RTTR stable. I've had/ one die on the track for me more years than not - Midway Cat, Snack, that all-weather horse from Britain who broke down in the Wood. Okay so far this year, fingers crossed.

BUT, but , but, you're the pedigree goddess, can't you devine these things ?

[hockey2315]

I agree that D. Wayne probably doesn't deserve all the criticism he gets from people, but he said that

“It’s scary how good this horse is, and it’s particularly scary to imagine how good he’ll be at two-turns. He is professional beyond belief, and I’m certain he will excel at two-turns. He’s fast, but very ratable. He won’t need the lead. He’s ready to step into the deep end of the pool. It won’t scramble his brain.”

How could a Hall of Fame trainer be so out of touch with one of his horses?

Originally Posted by hockey2315

I agree that D. Wayne probably doesn't deserve all the criticism he gets from people, but he said that

“It’s scary how good this horse is, and it’s particularly scary to imagine how good he’ll be at two-turns. He is professional beyond belief, and I’m certain he will excel at two-turns. He’s fast, but very ratable. He won’t need the lead. He’s ready to step into the deep end of the pool. It won’t scramble his brain.”

How could a Hall of Fame trainer be so out of touch with one of his horses?

I think he likes to hear himself quoted to feed that ego and keep the name in type. I guess if you say enough things, some of it will stick and then we remember, " ah, he said that about such and such horse...." Of course like anyone else sometimes he's right and sometimes he's wrong. But, he's very good at putting out the quotable lines or sound bytes.

[mrmikegap]

What an interesting quote from D Wayne. FFC wins a 6F mspw on 2/19, has a 4F work in 48 1/5 eight days later on 2/27, a 6F work in 1:12 eight days after that on 3/7, and then runs 3 days later in the G3 Rebel on 3/10. Seems like reasonable spacing between races and workouts to me. What could he have done to "ask more of him?"

[whodey17]

Lukas is having an OK meeting at Oaklawn. He is 4th in the standings with an 18% win and 50% ITM. Oaklawn is the only place where he has horses. He has about 40 of them. With anything, the success fades. Lukas is still out there competing and trying. It was Lukas, Zito and Baffert in the 90's. Now it is Pletcher, Asmussen and O'Neill that have the top stables in the country (of course you can make arguements for other trainers). I dont think we should knock anyone is this sport that provides us with racing.