For Blackthroat & Big Brown (104 BSF) fans

[philcski]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

At this point last year, Curlin had WIPED OUT a decent maiden field while blowing the turn and bearing out in the stretch. But, I'll just have to take your word for it that BB is a monster. In fact, I'm going to BET OUT on the horse in the DERBY (assuming he makes it) on your opinion alone. Moreover, I'm going to elevate him to the top of list of the best horses I've ever seen run. JUST on YOUR say so. Cause YOU'RE SPECIAL. And you're the best when it comes to evaluating stock.

Now, take the rest of the day off.

Dude, do you have any other approach to life than being a knowitall smartass? Why don't you reread your first sentence and compare it to the horse in question? Sound pretty similar, no?

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Again, you all may want to make fun of her and say it's premature and stupid to compare him to Curlin but if you stop laughing for just a second, you would see that what she is saying is entirely correct. It may be hard for some of you because you have it in your mind what Curlin ended up doing. But the comparison of Big Brown's resume on March 7 of this year to Curlin's on March 7 of last year is not a silly one. Maybe I'll get laughed at now for taking the unpopular position of being on her side.

I'm with you KG, and will accept the laughter.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Cardus

I knew that if I looked hard enough, I'd find more Big Brown news:

http://tcm.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=43950

Thanks Cardus.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

What it really shows is how little they really pay attention to everyday racing where you constantly see horses that appear to be being restrained and yet have nothing when they are theoretically asked to run.

I'm just starting to read this thread - and it really feels like I'm going to be in for a treat.

And since BTW was kind enough to point out a past midnight blunder by myself last night - I will single him out for being dumb enough to take KyRim's word that Big Brown was actually "never asked to run" and "hard held through the stretch" in his under-tack preview.

KYRIM, in her wisdom, thinks she has complete deniability to say something like that because video of said workout is no longer available on the Keeneland website or anywhere else on the internet - and who around here really is going to remember the drill?

It's too bad I had notes on his work, and it's too bad TVG showed the '07 Kee April under-tack preview last year, and it's too bad I taped it and still haven't recorded over it - thus meaning I can still watch it again and make sure I wasn't tripping when I was taking notes.

BTW's point is correct - however he was wrong to take KyRim at her word on this.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I'm just starting to read this thread - and it really feels like I'm going to be in for a treat.

And since BTW was kind enough to point out a past midnight blunder by myself last night - I will single him out for being dumb enough to take KyRim's word that Big Brown was actually "never asked to run" and "hard held through the stretch" in his under-tack preview.

KYRIM, in her wisdom, thinks she has complete deniability to say something like that because video of said workout is no longer available on the Keeneland website or anywhere else on the internet - and who around here really is going to remember the drill?

It's too bad I had notes on his work, and it's too bad TVG showed the '07 Kee April under-tack preview last year, and it's too bad I taped it and still haven't recorded over it - thus meaning I can still watch it again and make sure I wasn't tripping when I was taking notes.

BTW's point is correct - however he was wrong to take KyRim at her word on this.

I never said that. I was talking about his Gulfstream race....not his workout video. I have to pull the Keeneland preview video that the sale sends out back out because I don't remember what his workout looks like. I thought you went to the sales and got the videos? Or got the preview videos sent in the mail? I didn't even know TVG showed the Keeneland workout previews. I guess I'll have to watch them this year on TVG.

The Keeneland previews are available to me because I have a video from the sale. They give them out in DVD form. However, I have not looked at it in awhile.

Now, I'm confused about what your point is or BTW's point is...

What are ya'll's points exactly?

Please pull up the post back up in this thread where I said the things that you thought I said about his workout video.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

BTW's point is correct - however he was wrong to take KyRim at her word on this.

This is why in a sea of muck and gloom you shine above all others.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Please pull up the post back up in this thread where I said the things that you thought I said about his workout video.

Here....

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

He obviously wasn't a big deal based on his purchase price at that sale. My connections at the time certaintly weren't raving over him because they didn't bid on him to my knowledge. (I'm sure they didn't because they would have been able to get him for that price). Of course, something could have come up on the X-rays. I want to see his preview again.

He wasn't ever asked to run, and he had more in the tank. Certaintly he wasn't idling along, but the jockey was holding him back down the stretch. The horse could have given him a lot more. I don't think anyone would argue with that.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

This is why in a sea of muck and gloom you shine above all others.

You both were completely wrong. I was talking about his Gulfstream race when I said those things, not his workout video.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

He wasn't ever asked to run, and he had more in the tank. Certaintly he wasn't idling along, but the jockey was holding him back down the stretch. The horse could have given him a lot more. I don't think anyone would argue with that.

Notice how I said jockey instead of exercise rider. Talking about Gulfstream race...obviously...

[blackthroatedwind]

I admire you for continuing to attempt to fight the good fight against almost insurmountable odds......and I know in my heart you will prevail in this battle between good and evil.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I know I'm a little late on this but

Big Brown is an absolute monster, but everyone already knew that from his maiden win at the Spa. What was so impressive about his win at GP was that he was never asked to run, and was actually held back down the stretch. They don't want him running too hard to save something in the tank and for fear of injury. When the horse broke his maiden, he ran too hard.

And 21.20 is still very fast for a quarter mile workout even though at last year's Keeneland sale, the track was playing extremely fast. I think that the fastest quarter mile was 20 3/5ths at that sale if I remember correctly, which was a new world record. However, at a sale where the track is playing a little more fair, anything under 21 and 3/5ths is considered to be very fast.

I'm glad this one made it back to the track, and also Zada Belle. Now if Gilchrist could only get Indyanne straight, and a certain trainer could get his monster to the races...that would be great! Also would like to see Magnificience come back.

Here...my first post in this thread...

I have repeated multiple times throughout this thread that I have to pull the workout video back out. I haven't seen it for quite some time. I was never talking about his preview when saying those things.

I know he was all out in the preview. The horses are all the way out in their previews, and are NEVER held back. I don't need to watch the preview again to know that, although I need to watch both his and Cool Coal Man's again anyway. Faster times=more money for owner and consignor.

I can't believe that anyone would have thought that I was talking about BBs preview when everyone knows the horses are always all the way out in their previews unless they are just galloping.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I admire you for continuing to attempt to fight the good fight against almost insurmountable odds......and I know in my heart you will prevail in this battle between good and evil.

She could give aspirin a headache.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I have repeated multiple times throughout this thread that I have to pull the workout video back out. I haven't seen it for quite some time. I was never talking about his preview when saying those things.

Fine.

I guess I was just confused... go figure.

Stay Gold.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

I can tape BBs preview off the TV and upload it to the computer in the form of a youtube video if anyone would like to see it. I could do the same thing for Cool Coal Man's video too. Just let me know if anyone wants to see them.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I can tape BBs preview off the TV and upload it to the computer in the form of a youtube video if anyone would like to see it. I could do the same thing for Cool Coal Man's video too. Just let me know if anyone wants to see them.

No thanks...I'm good

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I can tape BBs preview off the TV and upload it to the computer in the form of a youtube video if anyone would like to see it. I could do the same thing for Cool Coal Man's video too. Just let me know if anyone wants to see them.

I was hoping for a video from the non-equine collection. You know...the top shelf stuff.

[XIIPointStables]

Finally having a chance to watch the race on Race Replays.

Scary easy huh? Looked to be really enjoying himself out there. As someone said earlier, this really adds to what should be a very entertaining and interesting FLA Derby.

[Cannon Shell]

This would be considered a horse that may not have gone as fast because the rider wasnt asking him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcbHpy61bTk

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

This would be considered a horse that may not have gone as fast because the rider wasnt asking him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcbHpy61bTk

[Cannon Shell]

This would be considered an 'unfortunate' ride by the rider of #1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-1cFgBMFvI