Where's the Scat Daddy Thread?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

No, the only thing I believe I was wrong about is that he lost the race because that is the only TRUE fact that you can point to. He didn't fire, but so what? We'll never know how good he really was and it will all be specualtion and OPINIONS on how good the horse really was.....period

Bernardini would have NEVER let Sun King take him to a photo finish, but obviously that race was probably not Invasor's best, right? Think about it....we're talking about Sun King here

It's really amazing. Continuing to suggest that Bernardini somehow didn't run his race, because to not say that allows for the possibility that you overrated him ( dramatically ), even though it flies in the face of logic, is actually incredible. I guess speed figures are only relevent to you when they somehow prove your point.

Not as incredible, however, as how you consistently deviate from the real conversation with some complete nonsequitor to somehow deflect from the real issue. It doesn't strengthen your argument....it weakens it substantially.

[Cajungator26]

It's too bad that Bernardini isn't running next year...

The way this topic has turned is pointless... he will never have a shot at proving anything because he isn't running again.

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

It's too bad that Bernardini isn't running next year...

The way this topic has turned is pointless... he will never have a shot at proving anything because he isn't running again.

That's true and to think he would have been better is no guarantee, he ran some nice sheet#'s, probably more consistent than any 3yo, but maybe he was done developing and was just an early developer, we don't know...But he never hit a Ghost Zapper, St. Liam, Commentator like number...

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

So you are saying that my opinion of Bernie being one of the more talented horses in the last 15-20 years was somehow proved otherwise by fact?....I don't think so, not after one race where he didn't fire big and never had a chance to run at the peak of his career......

Remember, most of the all-time greats lost races - Does that make them not great IN YOUR OPINION?

He is a very nice horse and unfortunately he was retired too early for us to really know him. But,
He is not an all-time great because he never did anything great. The all-time greats you're referring to that lost races also did great things. Name one great thing Bernardini did. He had one chance on the track to show us something great and he came up somewhat short of great.
It doesn't make him great just because he won easy with Durkin screaming "OHHH its hot out and Bernardini didn't even break a sweat!!!" He didn't win any battles and he didn't overcome great adversity to win a race.
He also didn't accomplish enough on the track to say with absolute certainty that he was one of the more talented horses in the past 15-20 years.

You can take that opinion and no one can say you're wrong because of his short career, but don't act like there was enough actual racing evidence to reach your conclusion.

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

He is a very nice horse and unfortunately he was retired too early for us to really know him. But,
He is not an all-time great because he never did anything great. The all-time greats you're referring to that lost races also did great things. Name one great thing Bernardini did. He had one chance on the track to show us something great and he came up somewhat short of great.
It doesn't make him great just because he won easy with Durkin screaming "OHHH its hot out and Bernardini didn't even break a sweat!!!" He didn't win any battles and he didn't overcome great adversity to win a race.
He also didn't accomplish enough on the track to say with absolute certainty that he was one of the more talented horses in the past 15-20 years.

You can take that opinion and no one can say you're wrong because of his short career, but don't act like there was enough actual racing evidence to reach your conclusion.

An all-time great - No, he was not - but only because you have to prove that on the track and he wasn't given the chance...

One of the most naturally talented horses to ever grace a racetrack - Yes, at least he was the most talented I have seen...his upside to be a better older horse was insane....the horse had ZERO weaknesses and that is how judge horses...his biggest weakness was his trainer to me - and that isn't really even fair to Tom. How good of a horse ould he have been if he got the Ghostzapper treatment in the Frankel/Allday barn as a 4-year-old?...Scary to think.....