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Old 11-08-2006, 09:19 AM
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For a horse you definitively spoke of as the virtual second coming this is quite an analysis of his performance. Not that Bernardini didn't run well, as he probably ran his best race, but a little " maybe I overrated him slightly " might be a bit more appropriate.

Ya know, the old " I wasn't wrong...the horse was " is not the road to success.
If you think that was his best effort then you may want to try another profession. He was second on raw talent and heart alone, as I personally thought he was dead going into the far turn when Javier had to rouse him to take chase up on Brother Derek of all horses on the lead - whom we know isn't half the horse Bernie is....I knew he was beat at that point. When he fires his best shot he cruises to the lead under his own courage....I don't think he handled the track well, personally...

And yes, I stil think he was one of the more talented horses of the last 20 years and it is a shame he never got a chance to prove it.

...I know hes a better horse than the one that beat him.....
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Old 11-08-2006, 09:22 AM
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If you think that was his best effort then you may want to try another profession. He was second on raw talent and heart alone, as I personally thought he was dead going into the far turn when Javier had to rouse him to take chase up on Brother Derek of all horses on the lead - whom we know isn't half the horse Bernie is....I knew he was beat at that point. When he fires his best shot he cruises to the lead under his own courage....I don't think he handled the track well, personally...

And yes, I stil think he was one of the more talented horses of the last 20 years and it is a shame he never got a chance to prove it.

...I know hes a better horse than the one that beat him.....
I dont know Joel. I thought his final move was truly a good show of talent. He picked off horses without any problem and his stride was fluent and true. I just think he was tested for the first time by a horse that was better than anything he's seen before.

I will give you he's one of the best 3 yo's in the last 20 years. But one of the best across all divisions for the last 20? Thats a jagged pill...
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Old 11-08-2006, 09:29 AM
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I dont know Joel. I thought his final move was truly a good show of talent. He picked off horses without any problem and his stride was fluent and true. I just think he was tested for the first time by a horse that was better than anything he's seen before.

I will give you he's one of the best 3 yo's in the last 20 years. But one of the best across all divisions for the last 20? Thats a jagged pill...
To me he wasnt tested at all. To me, Dini went and got the lead and did what he normally does. Then Invasor just cruised on by. It isnt like they were inches apart eyeballing each other. Invasor was faster and better than day. There really isnt to much more to say about it.
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Old 11-08-2006, 09:29 AM
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If you think that was his best effort then you may want to try another profession. He was second on raw talent and heart alone, as I personally thought he was dead going into the far turn when Javier had to rouse him to take chase up on Brother Derek of all horses on the lead - whom we know isn't half the horse Bernie is....I knew he was beat at that point. When he fires his best shot he cruises to the lead under his own courage....I don't think he handled the track well, personally...

And yes, I stil think he was one of the more talented horses of the last 20 years and it is a shame he never got a chance to prove it.
Dude, I might want to try another profession? You are a confirmed chalk eating weasel who was full of bravado after any obvious short priced horse you liked won and were absent for DAYS after your mediocre opinions were exposed in the BC. Please.

But, furthermore, the rest of your post pretty much confirmed what I said. He ran a very good race despite everything not going his way. If you think cruising to the lead against High Cotton is the same as cruising to the lead against the likes of Brother Derek and Lava Man, among others, you are dramatically mistaken. You are the one that misevaluated this horse for months, said things that turned out to simply not be true, and are now acting like he wasn't himself because he was finally presented with a reasonably difficult challenge? Get real. The simple fact is he is the same good horse now that he was a month ago. He was never going to run faster if pressed, as you basically guaranteed, and he was never as good as the likes of Ghostzapper as you also claimed. Constantly suggesting horses that you were wrong about " didn't run their race " is NOT going to get you far. Ya know, even good handicappers are wrong most of the time.
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Old 11-08-2006, 09:39 AM
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Dude, I might want to try another profession? You are a confirmed chalk eating weasel who was full of bravado after any obvious short priced horse you liked won and were absent for DAYS after your mediocre opinions were exposed in the BC. Please.

But, furthermore, the rest of your post pretty much confirmed what I said. He ran a very good race despite everything not going his way. If you think cruising to the lead against High Cotton is the same as cruising to the lead against the likes of Brother Derek and Lava Man, among others, you are dramatically mistaken. You are the one that misevaluated this horse for months, said things that turned out to simply not be true, and are now acting like he wasn't himself because he was finally presented with a reasonably difficult challenge? Get real. The simple fact is he is the same good horse now that he was a month ago. He was never going to run faster if pressed, as you basically guaranteed, and he was never as good as the likes of Ghostzapper as you also claimed. Constantly suggesting horses that you were wrong about " didn't run their race " is NOT going to get you far. Ya know, even good handicappers are wrong most of the time.
I still think he was a better horse than Ghostzapper but we only got to see half of the show, as he projected to be a better 4-year-old with his pedigree and a little more seasoning. And yes, I avoided the sharks in the water like you who get off on trying to prove people wrong. Anyone who can really analyze a race whose opinions I value have all agreed that the horse didn't fire his best shot and still only got beat a length....far more nice horses didn't fire thier best shots in the race and still got beat a lot worse in the race....

Oh, and he cruised by a loose Wanderin Boy with ease last out and that horse is faster than Brother Derek FYI.....You should know that being a Zito fanatic...

Its a good thing you didn't take me up on the handicap-off last weekend as you had better done exceptionally well to win that one.....(since you had SO much to lose )
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Old 11-08-2006, 12:09 PM
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Man, you are one miserable, negative, unhappy guy.

I have never seen one post from you that wasn't angry or hostile. Maybe you should give this game up. Ther's a lot of othert stuff a guy can do with his time and life if he is in so much pain.

The audience you're playing to on here is about 50 people. MOST are just kids that are hoping to make their first $50,000. Is it so important to you what they think of your posting rehashed periodical articles and heresay?

Go find a broad (if she can stomach you) and take her out on the town. See if you can make it through the night without telling her about your "world influencing" race track acquaintances.

As far as my handicapping ability, how you or anyone rates it does me no good or bad. I win a lot of money (be that as it may) and when I can no longer accomplish this I'm gone in a NY minute.

I've said many times, "every imbecile with a pencil picks winners". What's in the vault at the end (however you choose to determine that) is ALL that counts.
I'm confused, did you write that to blackthroatedwind or to yourself?
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Old 11-07-2006, 07:53 PM
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the scat daddy thread came up near the top of the page earlier today.....

....but then it faded right down when it actually mattered.

fitting, huh?
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Old 11-07-2006, 08:00 PM
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I did bet not bet Scat Daddy Sat. I won't wirte him off just yet, though he may not ne two turn horse.

I DID bet CP West and Street Sense. We all know how Street Sense faired, any thoughts on CP West? Wondering if that last work took too much out of him.
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Old 11-07-2006, 08:01 PM
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I like Scat Daddy a lot...

I don't think the two turns were as much a problem as the distance. I think he might be better suited for a mile.
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Old 11-07-2006, 08:03 PM
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I like Scat Daddy a lot...

I don't think the two turns were as much a problem as the distance. I think he might be better suited for a mile.

Well, I guess that rules out a start at Charles Town or Timonium.
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Old 11-07-2006, 08:06 PM
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Well, I guess that rules out a start at Charles Town or Timonium.

WAY harsh! LOL
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Old 11-07-2006, 08:28 PM
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Well, I guess that rules out a start at Charles Town or Timonium.

Ahhhh....good ole Timonium....home of the 3 turn 6 furlong sprint
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Old 11-07-2006, 09:21 PM
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i cant believe nobody even thought i was funny.

i thought i was a hoot for what its worth
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Old 11-07-2006, 08:12 PM
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im sure your correct on all fronts..a nice run in gulfstream then...a move to the turf...the noble causway route..the move to the turf seems to be the trainers ace in the hole..."i always thought he was a turf horse"...lolafter that its finger lakes...

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