Zenyatta v. Rail Trip??

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Vic, Vic, Vic

Why do you insist on engaging these IDIOTS? Just do what I do: remind them that THEIR horse, RA, FAILED to make the BC and the AB. And, that THEIR horse hasn't exactly distinguished herself this year. They somehow always seem to forget this. When your team doesn't SHOW UP, typically you STFU. Which is precisely what RA's connections have done.

The Zenyatta crew can do whatever they want: they honored their obligations.

It's hard to believe that these simple facts constantly ELUDE the IDIOTS here. I mean, they need to give it a ****in' rest already; this isn't Special Olympics posting.

As the one who started this thread, I'll confess that in the Zenyatta v. RA discussion, I came down on the Zenyatta side. As a Zenyatta fan, I'd like to see what she can do when tested. Along those lines, when they "unretired" Zenyatta, the Mosses stated that the whole point of bringing Zenyatta back this year, having won the BC Classic at 10F against males, was to do something different and challenge their mare. Judged against that standard, a decision to run against what likely would be a field of allowance caliber of fillies in the Vanity rather than against the top handicap male on the West Coast in an historic race would be rather disappointing. And at that point, it's hard to defend against the criticism that her connections have carefully picked a "cupcake" schedule for their mare.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Cardus

I didn't see Rachel Alexandra's name mentioned until your post, Fat Man.

This is some thread. It has both TFM and Stauffer. Not sure who is more of a grade one jacka##. Although I gotta give Stauffer an iota of credit. He doesn't start threads mentioning rides by Tim Thornton on 6-5 shots. That was a beaut by TFM. He must hold the record for most threads started with ZERO replies.

Stuaffer though really needs to stay off the internet...........

[RolloTomasi]

I think a conflict-of-interest is at play here...

I wonder if Mr. Stauffer received a gift from the Mosses last Christmas.

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

I think a conflict-of-interest is at play here...

I wonder if Mr. Stauffer received a gift from the Mosses last Christmas.

[blackthroatedwind]

This gets to the heart of the Zenyatta discussion.....instead of ever focusing on the discussion at hand, those that blindly defend Zenyatta ( not those that realistically discuss her ) have to turn to Rachel Alexandra, even though she has absolutely ZERO to do with the current topic.

The valid point was, since she is staying home at Hollywood, she should face Rail Trip, arguably one of the top horses in training, in the marquis race at Zenyatta's home and favorite track, Hollywood Park. I don't see how any racing fan could argue with this. If, instead, she runs in the Vanity, it becomes more clear that it is not shipping she is avoiding, but the toughest possible competition.

I know I would be disappointed, as a Rail Trip/Zenyatta matchup would be very exciting....and even in possible defeat Zenyatta would enhance her reputation. Let's hope it happens.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I know I would be disappointed, as a Rail Trip/Zenyatta matchup would be very exciting....and even in possible defeat Zenyatta would enhance her reputation. Let's hope it happens.

Really? Weren't you a strong detractor of RT just last year? How does she 'enhance' her reputation by losing to a 'distance challenged' horse? Of course, he now has a real jock.

What do you envision: a MILE match race?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Really? Weren't you a strong detractor of RT just last year? How does she 'enhance' her reputation by losing to a 'distance challenged' horse? Of course, he now has a real jock.

What do you envision: a MILE match race?

What does this have to do with the topic?

Yes, I was wrong about Rail Trip. Happy? I doubt it....as you are as miserable as they come.

Now, that we have gotten past that, try to actually make one post that is related to the actual discussion. Surely you can do this once.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

What does this have to do with the topic?

Yes, I was wrong about Rail Trip. Happy? I doubt it....as you are as miserable as they come.

Now, that we have gotten past that, try to actually make one post that is related to the actual discussion. Surely you can do this once.

I knew the courting period (the 2 Narcissists were enjoying last week) would not last. It was almost as disgusting as when Muhammed got excited watching little Aisha on her swing set.

[DaTruth]

I don't expect to see Z race outside of SoCal a third time. Shirreffs has already expressed his fear of shipping Z over the Rockies, and we know she will likely be scratched again if she faces an off track. Shirreffs isn't going to waste flying her over the Rockies again just to find an off track at one of those real dirt courses. He is going to need an ironclad guarantee of dry weather before he puts her on a plane again, and we all know there are no ironclad forecasts, especially in the weather business.

So this will be her schedule for the rest of the year: Vanity, parade at Hollywood, Clement Hirsch, parade at Del Mar, Zenyatta Hcp, parade at Oak Tree, retirement announcement the week of the BC, post-retirement parade at Hollywood.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I knew the courting period (the 2 Narcissists were enjoying last week) would not last. It was almost as disgusting as when Muhammed got excited watching little Aisha on her swing set.

We get along fine. Plus, disdain for you is a great and easy uniter.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

What does this have to do with the topic?

Yes, I was wrong about Rail Trip. Happy? I doubt it....as you are as miserable as they come.

Now, that we have gotten past that, try to actually make one post that is related to the actual discussion. Surely you can do this once.

This is an edited response.

Actually, I'm feeling pretty miserable right now. I've been fighting this cold for a good part of the week, and feel like ****. Thanks for asking.

Moreover, I've lost 5 one number exacta photos in a row (4 today, alone). Some of these beats were ridiculous. This translates to quite a chunk of my bankroll. Once again, thanks for asking.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

This is an edited response.

Actually, I'm feeling pretty miserable right now. I've been fighting this cold for a good part of the week, and feel like ****. Thanks for asking.

Moreover, I've lost 5 one number exacta photos in a row (4 today, alone). Some of these beats were ridiculous. This translates to quite a chunk of my bankroll. Once again, thanks for asking.

I think I have you beat on the " tough beats " this weekend....but feel free to try to top me.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

One of the tip offs that a person has Narcissistic tendencies is when they use a question mark behind the word "happy." It allows one to hack away as they reluctantly admit to something. It's a way to distract attention away from their being wrong. It's a Narcissistic defense gadget.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

If Team Zenyatta is going to insist on staying California for her next race, who wouldn't want to see her take on Rail Trip, who looked real good yesterday, in the Hollywood Gold Cup? If they opt for the (pointless) Vanity, they deserve all the abuse showered their way.

She has already proven she can handle males on synth, if beating Gio Ponti and gang in the classic was not enough to appease her naysayers what is beating Rail Trip in the Hollywood Gold Cup to prove? Her final test is to beyer 115, win on dirt and beat the classic field at CD's, if she can throw in a race against males in the fall as the Goodward as a prep I can see this being a far more logical campaign that will hopefully make everyone happy

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by CSC

She has already proven she can handle males on synth, if beating Gio Ponti and gang in the classic was not enough to appease her naysayers what is beating Rail Trip in the Hollywood Gold Cup to prove? Her final test is to beyer 115, win on dirt and beat the classic field at CD's, if she can throw in a race against males in the fall as the Goodward as a prep I can see this being a far more logical campaign that will hopefully make everyone happy

Actually, as Cardus points out, there is more to racing than the Breeders' Cup, and who's to say that she'll even make it to that race six months from now.

We all know that she'll probably only have, at most, four lifetime starts. And I think it's a pretty safe bet to say that, if she's racing in the fall, the final two starts of her career would likely be the the race formerly known as the Lady's Secret and the BC Classic. (And for the reason TFM noted above, I'd have no problem with the Lady's Secret, knowing it was a prep for the Classic.) There is absolutely no excuse for her not to run in the Hollywood Gold Cup, unless the mid-season portion of her campaign is simply about ducking meaningful competition until the Breeders' Cup.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Actually, as Cardus points out, there is more to racing than the Breeders' Cup, and who's to say that she'll even make it to that race six months from now.

We all know that she'll probably only have, at most, four lifetime starts. And I think it's a pretty safe bet to say that, if she's racing in the fall, the final two starts of her career would likely be the the race formerly known as the Lady's Secret and the BC Classic. (And for the reason TFM noted above, I'd have no problem with the Lady's Secret, knowing it was a prep for the Classic.) There is absolutely no excuse for her not to run in the Hollywood Gold Cup, unless the mid-season portion of her campaign is simply about ducking meaningful competition until the Breeders' Cup.

I hear what you are saying; however what she is doing is no different to what other race horses are doing these days. I am actually more dissapointed on her passing the Stephen Foster where this would have been a true test for her rather than facing Rail Trip on cushion. Let's wait to see what the connections have in store for her the rest of the yr before jumping the gun on the critical dept, it is her first race back since running in the Apple Blossom, if she faces a similar fields this year I may join you in being critical of her campaign, it's a long year and atleast there has already been one major difference in her campaign this year, she shipped out east. You can't fault her if no one wanted to face her, that was out of her control, all things considered she will ship out east atleast twice this year and run on dirt twice this year, anything more is pure gravy the way I see it.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Cardus

I routinely forget that racing is all about the Breeders' Cup. I better get on board, and quick.

That's where the money and 99% of the connections in the world are pointing for, since it is on dirt this year, I thought you would agree.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Cardus

I routinely forget that racing is all about the Breeders' Cup. I better get on board, and quick.

you know what.. maybe the BC committee making the BC permanently at Santa Anita and making it irrelevant would be the best possible decision the BC committee could make to change horse racing for the better.