ALL w/ ALL ??

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I never quite understood wheeling horses underneath only. Especially in a 20-horse field, how do you determine that certain horses are good enough to run second, but not win?

i agree with that. if you are just gonna wheel 2 horses with all.. do an exacta. You have to get real lucky to get the 1 & 2 to finish just second and third..

I could see an ALL/1,2,3,4/1,2,3,4 being worthwhile bet though. (just used numbers, not actual posts that I like)

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I never quite understood wheeling horses underneath only. Especially in a 20-horse field, how do you determine that certain horses are good enough to run second, but not win?

One of my favorite ways to play the races is to key horses in third, and then sometimes in second. For longshots, it's easier to run third than it is to run second, and easier to run second that it is to run third. Often times, those underneath horses are closers who figure to pass tired pace horses. Denis of Cork is one example but unfortunately, I tired to get too cute and beat Big Brown.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

For longshots, it's easier to run third than it is to run second, and easier to run second that it is to run third.

What?

[DaTruth]

You can always play an Oaks-Derby Double using just the ones who ran in the Silverbulletday.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

What?

I meant to write... it's easier to run third than it is to run second, and it's easier to run second than it is to win.

[2MinsToPost]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

One of my favorite ways to play the races is to key horses in third, and then sometimes in second. For longshots, it's easier to run third than it is to run second, and easier to run second that it is to run third. Often times, those underneath horses are closers who figure to pass tired pace horses. Denis of Cork is one example but unfortunately, I tired to get too cute and beat Big Brown.

This is my favorite angle twice a year, Derby and Breeders Cup. Especially The Derby because of field size and all the possible traffic problems that can occur. I remember someone in 2005 on the old espn board talking / posting about a "plodder", one that would keep coming. He was right. Ever since then I have tried to find that.

Of all the races to look for that live shot, good grief this is the one given the possible payoff at the window. Plod your way to second, plod your way to third. Neither one Travis is easier then the other the first Saturday in May in this race in my humble opinion, and man this race sure looks more and more like a "plodders" type race.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by 2MinsToPost

This is my favorite angle twice a year, Derby and Breeders Cup. Especially The Derby because of field size and all the possible traffic problems that can occur. I remember someone in 2005 on the old espn board talking / posting about a "plodder", one that would keep coming. He was right. Ever since then I have tried to find that.

Of all the races to look for that live shot, good grief this is the one given the possible payoff at the window. Plod your way to second, plod your way to third. Neither one Travis is easier then the other the first Saturday in May in this race in my humble opinion, and man this race sure looks more and more like a "plodders" type race.

I love these types of plays everyday I play, however, for Derby and BC they're especially fun because of the large pools involved.

Most bettors build their tickets from the top down... find a winner, find four horses in second and find ten horses in third etc..... but if you go about it the opposite way, and just find the horse who figures to make up ground late regardless, you don't necessarily have to nail the winner, just have him in the group on top.

1-2-3-4 / 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9 / 10 = $32 Trifecta

Then, you can back it up with a $2 exacta and a $5 win bet on the 10 just in case he runs huge. So for $45 or so, you have a decent ticket, and one which can pay really well if the right combo comes in.