Colonel John

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

.. and on dirt and on turf (Da' Tara and Tizdejavu). Tiznow, a dirt horse with natural stamina, sires horses who run well on all surfaces. Polytrack, one among the many types of AW (all-weather) surfaces, generally demands more stamina and/or fitness than average, and the Tiznows have the stamina part.

Perhaps it's bold of me to challenge the opinion of someone who calls themself "Pedigree" Ann but Tizdejavu seems to be the exception to the rule when it comes to Tiznow's progeny trying the turf. He has had numerous stakes winners and stakes-placed runners, however, they were primarily on dirt/synthetics.

Tough Tiz's Sis, Bear Now, Well Armed, and Colonel John all come to mind as Tiznow's biggest names (in addition to Da'Tara) and they are all stakes winners- on synthetics.

NT

Folklore pops out. 2 year old champion filly. She ran on dirt and broke her knee as a 3 yr old forcing her retirement. No Tiznow turf runners come right to mind.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Anyone else think this is Sumitas?

Hmmmmmmmmmm......Let's see.

[miraja2]

I think they should run Col. John on nasty, rock-hard dirt surfaces all the time because synthetic surfaces are just unsafe.

Speaking of rock-hard......I heard Golden Missile is impotent. Anybody participating in this thread know if that is true?

[3kings]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Anyone else think this is Sumitas?

Yes, the same new poster appeared in another thread and then Golden Missile's voyeur suddenly appeared later in the thread. Nice work Hoss.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Perhaps it's bold of me to challenge the opinion of someone who calls themself "Pedigree" Ann but Tizdejavu seems to be the exception to the rule when it comes to Tiznow's progeny trying the turf. He has had numerous stakes winners and stakes-placed runners, however, they were primarily on dirt/synthetics.

Tough Tiz's Sis, Bear Now, Well Armed, and Colonel John all come to mind as Tiznow's biggest names (in addition to Da'Tara) and they are all stakes winners- on synthetics.

NT

tiznow is a all around great sire... i dont see why it matters, he can produce on any surface.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

tiznow is a all around great sire... i dont see why it matters, he can produce on any surface.

It's arbitrary, baseless remarks like this that earn you a great deal of flak on this site...take it from someone who has not chastised you at all.

NT

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

It's arbitrary, baseless remarks like this that earn you a great deal of flak on this site...take it from someone who has not chastised you at all.

NT

its not baseless he is a young sire, and has accomplished a lot already, champion, major 3 yr old stakes winners, 2 yr old stakes winners...

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

its not baseless he is a young sire, and has accomplished a lot already, champion, major 3 yr old stakes winners, 2 yr old stakes winners...

Right but the original issue was not whether Tiznow is a good sire, that was never denied. The issue was that someone came on here and used one horse as an example as far as how Tiznow is a good turf sire. One horse does not a sire make.

NT

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Tough Tiz's Sis, Bear Now, Well Armed, and Colonel John all come to mind as Tiznow's biggest names (in addition to Da'Tara) and they are all stakes winners- on synthetics.

NT

Folklore, Tiznow's first crop champion 2yo daughter, won the Matron S (Belmont), Adirondack (Saratoga), and BC Juvie fillies (Belmont again, I think). Bear Now won the Cotillion H (G2) at Philly as well as her stakes wins at Woodbine. Tiz Wonderful won the Kentucky Jockey Club S (G2) and Iroquois S (G3) at Churchill Downs. Try looking at the full record. Branding Tiznow as a sire whose get can only perform at top levels on AW and therefore Colonel John cannot run well on dirt courses is a distortion of the data.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Folklore, Tiznow's first crop champion 2yo daughter, won the Matron S (Belmont), Adirondack (Saratoga), and BC Juvie fillies (Belmont again, I think). Bear Now won the Cotillion H (G2) at Philly as well as her stakes wins at Woodbine. Tiz Wonderful won the Kentucky Jockey Club S (G2) and Iroquois S (G3) at Churchill Downs. Try looking at the full record. Branding Tiznow as a sire whose get can only perform at top levels on AW and therefore Colonel John cannot run well on dirt courses is a distortion of the data.

You really cherry-picked there and completely ignored the fact that I never said Colonel John couldn't win on dirt, only that Tiznow's progeny does better on synthetics than dirt.

What I attempted to refute was your ridiculous assertion that Tizdejavu winning two turf races means Tiznow is a great turf sire.

NT

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

You really cherry-picked there and completely ignored the fact that I never said Colonel John couldn't win on dirt, only that Tiznow's progeny does better on synthetics than dirt.

What I attempted to refute was your ridiculous assertion that Tizdejavu winning two turf races means Tiznow is a great turf sire.

NT

he gets winners on the turf, im sure tizdejavu is not the only one.

[freddymo]

Tiznow is a very solid sire..His early success on all surfaces and distances make him a very logical choice for almost any type broody..Plus because his pedigree is so foriegn to the rest of community he really has to be seen as a godsend to breeders. I really don't believe the broody's he saw early in his career were nearly as accomplished as the ones that he will be bred to in the coming years.. With that said I look for him to be a leader in the shed for a long time.

As for his horses success on poly who knows its to soon to say if he will continue to excell on the fake stuff.. i think there is enough evidence to support that Tiznow offspring can and will be Graded winners on all surfaces, age groups, and both sexes. The sky really is the limit for Tiznow..