Strong Contender

Originally Posted by oracle80

LOL! Brooklyn have you met he new resident whacko yet?
Guy knows all about what goes through bafferts mind, says shug underachived, says he knows me(but he cant telll who he is for security reasons), oh yeah and hes involved in the game. tell you what if this guy is involved in the game I'm an astronaut!!!

And if my grandmother had wheels ... she'd be a trolley car.

Patience, my good man ... patience.

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

With all duer respect ...

... the guy has trained nearly a thousand of the best-bred colts in the world ... and has yet to develop even one into a champion at classic distances.

He's the King Of The MSW Sprints ... and does very well with fillies ... but he hasn't developed a colt into a champion ... and ... until he does ... he doesn't deserve to be compared with any of the really good trainers.

I can't say he isn't an incredible trainer? Yes ... I can ...

... He isn't an incredible trainer.

Was Left Bank not champion older horse? Seemed like he did a pretty good job with him.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Hoisttheflag

Had to be the owners in my opinion but the Pletcher ass kissing on this site is ridiculous.

It is a bit over the top at times.

He's a very good trainer, and a great businessman who has managed to amass just about every thoroughbred running in the US, but the " Todd is so great " posts get a bit wearinsome at times.

I'm a horseplayer....I will only make money beating a trainer who seems to run the favorite in just about every race. Thus I find myself rooting for him about as often as Haley's Comet shows up.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It is a bit over the top at times.

He's a very good trainer, and a great businessman who has managed to amass just about every thoroughbred running in the US, but the " Todd is so great " posts get a bit wearinsome at times.

I'm a horseplayer....I will only make money beating a trainer who seems to run the favorite in just about every race. Thus I find myself rooting for him about as often as Haley's Comet shows up.

Exactly. Pletcher is a very good trainer, might be great one day, but enough with the praise for a guy who wins with the top horse flesh. Win a classic too. Any classic.

Originally Posted by Hoisttheflag

Exactly. Pletcher is a very good trainer, might be great one day, but enough with the praise for a guy who wins with the top horse flesh. Win a classic too. Any classic.

So Breeders Cup races don't matter huh? I think too much empasis is placed on the "classics". they are 3 races during an entire year. Look at what he does during the year, it's impressive.

Originally Posted by Hoisttheflag

Exactly. Pletcher is a very good trainer, might be great one day, but enough with the praise for a guy who wins with the top horse flesh. Win a classic too. Any classic.

Since Shug is so good, how many classics since 1989? Oh and you make money betting Shug? Impossible.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Sweetness

Since Shug is so good, how many classics since 1989? Oh and you make money betting Shug? Impossible.

Actually three...not bad...but who's counting.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Actually three...not bad...but who's counting.

Don't forget those Travers either. They arent too shabby.

[blackthroatedwind]

Actually, Personal Ensign never ran at Aqueduct.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Actually, Personal Ensign never ran at Aqueduct.

Did she not win the rare Perfume there? I dont have her pp's in front of me but I thought at age three that she had a fall campaign and raced there. If not I regret the inaccuracy.

Originally Posted by Hoisttheflag

Had to be the owners in my opinion but the Pletcher ass kissing on this site is ridiculous. Win a Classic race before we start making him out to be Lukas or Baffert.

I have to agree with this statement...I like the dude and think he's one helluva horseman, but why all the priase?...With the horseflesh he gets year-in and year-out he arguably is just doing average with his stock...I'm not saying he's doing poorly, but give any other good horseman his stock and see how well they would do with it....It's not like he has two or three Classic victories...he didn't even win a BC race until 2004.....he's a good trainer - make no mistake about it....but to praise him for being a dynamite conditioner may be like Jor Torre for being a great baseball coach...you better be half decent when yoour owners surround you with the best talent in the game...the thing I respect about him is his political abilities...he has somehow lured in the Jones, Overbrook, Padua, the Melnyks, Coolmore, WinStar and many other top owners - which is amazing to me....If I was a big-time owner I would probably want to be the lone big fish in the pond but instead he has found a way to marry running of of these nice horses from different big-time operations without conflict of playing favorites, etc.....that is what I most admire about the guy to be honest...He wil win a classic and probably multiple Classics, but how couldn't you with that stock?

Leroy Jolley won Classics, Jack Van Berg won Classics, and Bill Turner won Classics.....just goes to show that anybody is dangerous with good horses....