Overrated Jockeys

Originally Posted by SentToStud

No, not at all. If he sends and loses, he's not good enough. My only points are these... Pure speed from the rail = must send (not fair to compare Bling to Behaving Badly where BB was FAR superior)... and ... Songster is too good to expect TMB to pass by taking back and going 3-wide.

Songster may still be better. Then again, maybe not. But TMB had no chance after 1/4 IMO. He either needed to be sent hard or it could be that he wasn't good enough to keep up early (hurt?).

I truly believe that they decided as a team to sit, because if you notice they have been trying to get TMB to relax a little bit early this year as opposed to last year when it was send, send, send. He rated him in the San Miguel, San Vicente and Bay Shore all to a victory, so obviously Baffert has found a way to get the most out of TMB's speed. I think if you send, you risk getting TMB to revert to his old habit of popping and stopping.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by LOSE=GLUE

Do you even follow the DRF or racing in general? Baffert said before they went to NY from Cali that they didn't want to run considering he drew the 1 hole. And that was before the race. then in retrospect he was right they all broke well but gomez cannot afford to send going that far and then let songster sit in 3rd and run by them when they turn for home. He was stuck and by the sounds of the interviews by baffert after the race he knew that was gonna happen. The horse never has won from the inside. It is just asking too much for a 3yo to go balls out for 7 F. You Sound like you need to read the form a little more before you pin a bad ride on someone.

OF COURSE I SHOULDN'T HALF TO TELL YOU THIS IF YOUR A TRUE HANDICAPER. I SINGLED SONGSTER on my Pick 4 doesn't take a genious to figure that out!!!

I have been around long enough to know that SCUDS is one of the better handicappers on this board. Easily top 5 IMO.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by GPK

I have been around long enough to know that SCUDS is one of the better handicappers on this board. Easily top 5 IMO.

True.

If Lezcano was riding him ....

Originally Posted by GPK

I have been around long enough to know that SCUDS is one of the better handicappers on this board. Easily top 5 IMO.

That may be the case, but being a good handicapper doesn't mean you are a good bettor, and TMB was a bad bet. But like most gamblers instead of looking in the mirror, it's easier to blame someone else. Again, why will he not address what has been brought up about Baffert. Baffert is as sharp as they come, and he knew, like I did that there was a strong possibilty this would happen. That's why he thought about scratching. He must've figured they were second best at worst with the projected trip, so maybe they get lucky and the hole opens, if not take the $50,000 for second, and know that you have an explosive sprinter that can be rated.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Sweetness

That may be the case, but being a good handicapper doesn't mean you are a good bettor, and TMB was a bad bet. But like most gamblers instead of looking in the mirror, it's easier to blame someone else. Again, why will he not address what has been brought up about Baffert. Baffert is as sharp as they come, and he knew, like I did that there was a strong possibilty this would happen. That's why he thought about scratching. He must've figured they were second best at worst with the projected trip, so maybe they get lucky and the hole opens, if not take the $50,000 for second, and know that you have an explosive sprinter that can be rated.

Ok...let me add this...Scuds is an even better bettor than he is handicapper. I know of noone that has a higher ROI on his bets than he does. THe small amount he puts into tickets and the amount they pay back speak for themselves.

Originally Posted by GPK

Ok...let me add this...Scuds is an even better bettor than he is handicapper. I know of noone that has a higher ROI on his bets than he does. THe small amount he puts into tickets and the amount they pay back speak for themselves.

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That's great, but TMB was a bad bet. Do you disagree?

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Sweetness

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That's great, but TMB was a bad bet. Do you disagree?

Sweetness...its very easy to sit back and say that a horse was a bad bet AFTER he loses.

I need something before a race goes off to explain to me why he was a bad bet. I can go back to all the races I lost yesterday, pour over the DRF and find a million reasons why the horses I bet where bad bets AFTER THE FACT.

Originally Posted by GPK

Sweetness...its very easy to sit back and say that a horse was a bad bet AFTER he loses.

I need something before a race goes off to explain to me why he was a bad bet. I can go back to all the races I lost yesterday, pour over the DRF and find a million reasons why the horses I bet where bad bets AFTER THE FACT.

He was a bad bet before the race too. Before the race, he was breaking from the rail, which is a tough post going 7 furlongs, I think there is no disputing that, like the outside post is going 1 1/8 at Saratoga. Baffert seemed troubled by the post, and you know how confident Baffert usually is, and he was 6-5. What more do you want me to say, do you like betting 6-5's with tough posts, because I sure don't. Especially in a tough field.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Sweetness

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That's great, but TMB was a bad bet. Do you disagree?

This is hard to say,because you're not saying what bet? Do I think any horse is worth putting hundreds or thousands on to win?(at 6/5 or less)..No,but I try to only bet multi-race stuff,and so it's a matter of getting through a race,and less a matter of win odds.It comes down to using the horse with the most ability(not necessarily the best value in the win pool.)This is the nice thing about the multi-race bets(you don't drive yourself nuts trying to get the extra buck or 2 in value...you just play the animals that you like.)

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

This is hard to say,because you're not saying what bet? Do I think any horse is worth putting hundreds or thousands on to win?(at 6/5 or less)..No,but I try to only bet multi-race stuff,and so it's a matter of getting through a race,and less a matter of win odds.It comes down to using the horse with the most ability(not necessarily the best value in the win pool.)This is the nice thing about the multi-race bets(you don't drive yourself nuts trying to get the extra buck or 2 in value...you just play the animals that you like.)

Hey, I'm totally with you there I like the multi race stuff also. I just think you always have to look at value, and TMB at such a short price is no value, considering the makeup of the race.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Sweetness

That may be the case, but being a good handicapper doesn't mean you are a good bettor, and TMB was a bad bet. But like most gamblers instead of looking in the mirror, it's easier to blame someone else. Again, why will he not address what has been brought up about Baffert. Baffert is as sharp as they come, and he knew, like I did that there was a strong possibilty this would happen. That's why he thought about scratching. He must've figured they were second best at worst with the projected trip, so maybe they get lucky and the hole opens, if not take the $50,000 for second, and know that you have an explosive sprinter that can be rated.

Well, I was letting this go as a difference of opinion, but it's pretty lame of you to "PROCLAIM" a week later that this horse was a bad bet. How in the world was this so freaking obvious? It's not as if TMB didn't have credentials going in!!!

And, PLEASE stop proclaiming the horse was ridden per Baffert's instructions. TMB was NOT taken back. TMB was NOT sent. TMB WAS RIDDEN LIKE SH1T INTO SURE DEFEAT.

He may not have been good enough. But the ride never gave him any chance to win.

Really pretty classless to keep thumping your tool on the table way after the race when you will not even acknowledge the possibility that the horse may have been poorly ridden.

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Well, I was letting this go as a difference of opinion, but it's pretty lame of you to "PROCLAIM" a week later that this horse was a bad bet. How in the world was this so freaking obvious? It's not as if TMB didn't have credentials going in!!!

And, PLEASE stop proclaiming the horse was ridden per Baffert's instructions. TMB was NOT taken back. TMB was NOT sent. TMB WAS RIDDEN LIKE SH1T INTO SURE DEFEAT.

He may not have been good enough. But the ride never gave him any chance to win.

Really pretty classless to keep thumping your tool on the table way after the race when you will not even acknowledge the possibility that the horse may have been poorly ridden.

I don't think he was ridden poorly, and do you think he was a GOOD bet at 6-5. I don't know many GOOD bets at 6-5, so I'll stand with it that he was a bad bet at 6-5. Thats a huge part of handicapping, identifying bad chalk, and this was bad chalk. Do you dispute the fact Baffert has made an attempt to get him to relax. So by sending you risk throwing all of that work away. I'm not proclaiming that I'm so great, just saying instead of deflecting the blame to Gomez, who came through a hole most wouldn't have tried to, maybe take responsibility that he was a bad bet at 6-5.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Sweetness

I don't think he was ridden poorly, and do you think he was a GOOD bet at 6-5. I don't know many GOOD bets at 6-5, so I'll stand with it that he was a bad bet at 6-5. Thats a huge part of handicapping, identifying bad chalk, and this was bad chalk. Do you dispute the fact Baffert has made an attempt to get him to relax. So by sending you risk throwing all of that work away. I'm not proclaiming that I'm so great, just saying instead of deflecting the blame to Gomez, who came through a hole most wouldn't have tried to, maybe take responsibility that he was a bad bet at 6-5.

1. I didn't bet the race
2. You're wrong to proclaim the horse was ridden "perfectly according to instructions."
3. You're wrong about Baffert. If he really didn't like the post, he could have scratched instead of risking "all his work"
3. 6/5 is a FREAKING GREAT PRICE if you make the horse 1/2. AS freaking great a handicapper you are, you should know that.
4. IT's freaking tasteless to proclaim a horse that lost a bad bet weeks later. Next time, try doing it before the race, huh?
5. Whatever. Tired of you tossing out the same ****ing **** over and over.

You are the ****ing greatest.

There you go. That and $2 gets you a Coke and Twinkie.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

1. I didn't bet the race
2. You're wrong to proclaim the horse was ridden "perfectly according to instructions."
3. You're wrong about Baffert. If he really didn't like the post, he could have scratched instead of risking "all his work"
3. 6/5 is a FREAKING GREAT PRICE if you make the horse 1/2. AS freaking great a handicapper you are, you should know that.
4. IT's freaking tasteless to proclaim a horse that lost a bad bet weeks later. Next time, try doing it before the race, huh?
5. Whatever. Tired of you tossing out the same ****ing **** over and over.

You are the ****ing greatest.

There you go. That and $2 gets you a Coke and Twinkie.

Ditto....

Originally Posted by SentToStud

1. I didn't bet the race
2. You're wrong to proclaim the horse was ridden "perfectly according to instructions."
3. You're wrong about Baffert. If he really didn't like the post, he could have scratched instead of risking "all his work"
3. 6/5 is a FREAKING GREAT PRICE if you make the horse 1/2. AS freaking great a handicapper you are, you should know that.
4. IT's freaking tasteless to proclaim a horse that lost a bad bet weeks later. Next time, try doing it before the race, huh?
5. Whatever. Tired of you tossing out the same ****ing **** over and over.

You are the ****ing greatest.

There you go. That and $2 gets you a Coke and Twinkie.

Thank you, because that's what i was looking for. Stop being babies, the post started about jockey's and got to this because I didn't think Gomez rode a bad race. The fact that he was a bad bet came up because I was trying to make the point that SCUDS should be mad at himself, not Gomez, this was after being called stupid, or something to that degree. I never said the horse was ridden perfectly and do you dispute the fact Baffert was visibly upset before the race about the post. He did think about scratching, look it up. And if you make that horse 1/2, why didn't you bet him at a "generous" 6/5. And can you honestly say with a straight face that TMB was a great price at 6/5? If so, plesae give us more great 6/5 shots, because I can't wait to sh*t on them too.