Derby Notebook/Earnings (4/17); Soldat sharp in last FL drill

[hockey2315]

How could anyone like a turf horse who will go BC Juvy turf to UAE Derby to KY Derby? I'll be surprised if he finishes the race. . .

[Mike]

Master of Hounds in the Belmont Stakes, that might make more sense

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Mike

Master of Hounds in the Belmont Stakes, that might make more sense

To finish last

[Mike]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

To finish last

Do some research on the success of Mr. Prospector's progeny in the Belmont.

Plus, I merely stated he made more sense in the Belmont Stakes than in the Derby.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Mike

Do some research on the success of Mr. Prospector's progeny in the Belmont.

Master of Hounds is by Kingmambo.

Sure - his grandsire is Mr. Prospector - but pretty much everything is related to Mr. Prospector. 19 out of the 20 horses in the Derby last year had Mr. Prospector ... the only one who didn't was 3rd place finisher Paddy O' Prado.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Mike

Do some research on the success of Mr. Prospector's progeny in the Belmont.

Plus, I merely stated he made more sense in the Belmont Stakes than in the Derby.

You could've just pointed out that Kingmambo already has a Belmont winner. . . not that it's at all relevant.

[Mike]

Nice to see I could make it all the way to the kitchen for peanut butter crackers and back, and only have two rebuttals

[Mike]

Seeing how it's more than common here for people to post sarcastic, and derisive comments (it's always funny to see the threads wondering why there are not a lot of new fans-yet any newbie here is thoroughly trashed), I would say there are more than a few angry, isolated losers here that should move on to gardening, where they can boast their expertise in botany to little old ladies.

Not really thinking of Drugs here, as I always enjoyed his photos (never forget the tasteful photos of women in uniform around the world)

Now, please hockey and Drugs, and you probably can respond intelligently here, what , if any, generalizations can you make regarding a reasonable Belmont Stakes contender?

[hockey2315]

1. Not a turf horse.
2. Not a horse who clearly has some health issues and would be shipping halfway across the world.
3. Not a horse whose connections haven't mentioned at this point as a horse going to the Belmont.

[Mike]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

1. Not a turf horse.
2. Not a horse who clearly has some health issues and would be shipping halfway across the world.
3. Not a horse whose connections haven't mentioned at this point as a horse going to the Belmont.

Really, that doesn't answer my question at all. Not to get bogged down on the Belmont Stakes here in late March, but it does seem to not adhere to some of the golden rules of the Derby or the Preakness

I'll move on

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Mike

what , if any, generalizations can you make regarding a reasonable Belmont Stakes contender?

Knock yourself out ...

http://www1.drf.com/tc/belmont/2010/belmont-stats.html

Click the name to get pp's.

[Mike]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Knock yourself out ...

http://www1.drf.com/tc/belmont/2010/belmont-stats.html

Click the name to get pp's.

Thanks, I was just looking for these. You know, some people used to talk dosage with Derby contenders, or RAN, I find that the Belmont Stakes winners are far less predictable from a Beyer speed fig viewpoint than the first two legs of the Triple Crown, and have wondered what the pp's of a Belmont winner tend to look like

That's all I'm saying. Some nights I can't sleep, and what better thing to do than pour over Belmont Stakes pp's from the past?

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Mike

Nice to see I could make it all the way to the kitchen for peanut butter crackers and back, and only have two rebuttals

Did it really take you twelve minutes to go to the kitchen for peanut butter and crackers?

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Did it really take you twelve minutes to go to the kitchen for peanut butter and crackers?

Maybe he has that natural peanut butter that you have to stir first, which is like mixing concrete with a spoon.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

Maybe he has that natural peanut butter that you have to stir first, which is like mixing concrete with a spoon.

He probably had the munchies and stared into the fridge for 8.5 minutes trying to decide what he wanted.

He is from Vermont.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

1. Not a turf horse.
2. Not a horse who clearly has some health issues and would be shipping halfway across the world.
3. Not a horse whose connections haven't mentioned at this point as a horse going to the Belmont.

For a brief stretch there in the late '80s-early '90s, the converses of those generalizations would have helped you nail the trifecta in a handful of Belmonts.

'89- French trained Le Voyageur runs 3rd to Easy Goer-Sunday Silence
'90- Irish trained Go And Go romps by 8 lengths over Unbridled et al
'92- English import My Memoirs splits A.P. Indy and Pine Bluff
'95- English trained Citadeed follows Thunder Gulch around the track

[Kasept]

Last horse in Derby's graded stakes earnings past five years

[horse - graded earnings - Derby finish]

2010: Make Music for Me...$218,750... 4th
2009: Nowhere to Hide... $55,500... 17th
2008: Denis of Cork... $165,000... 3rd
2007: Imawildandcrazyguy... $104,000... 4th
2006: Flashy Bull... $109,000... 14th

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Last horse in Derby's graded stakes earnings past five years

[horse - graded earnings - Derby finish]

2010: Make Music for Me...$218,750... 4th
2009: Nowhere to Hide... $55,500... 17th
2008: Denis of Cork... $165,000... 3rd
2007: Imawildandcrazyguy... $104,000... 4th
2006: Flashy Bull... $109,000... 14th

Can you believe Nowhere to Hide...OMG

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Can you believe Nowhere to Hide...OMG

That year there was a parade of outs over the last 48-72 hours. It was ridiculous.

[Kasept]

Graded Earnings (4/3/11)

1 Uncle Mo Todd Pletcher $1,260,000
2 Dialed In Nicholas Zito $840,000
3 Pants On Fire Kelly Breen $623,000
4 J P's Gusto Joseph Petalino $541,500
5 Soldat Kiaran McLaughlin $540,000
6 Master of Hounds Aidan O'Brien $441,884
7 Twice the Appeal Jeff Bonde $400,000
8 Mucho Macho Man Katherine Ritvo $370,000
9 To Honor and Serve William Mott $350,000
10 Decisive Moment Juan Arias $301,000

11 Animal Kingdom H. Motion $285,000
12 Astrology Steven Asmussen $281,893
13 The Factor Bob Baffert $270,000
14 Stay Thirsty Todd Pletcher $260,000
15 Jaycito Bob Baffert $250,000
16 Santiva Eddie Kenneally $240,254
17 Watch Me Go Kathleen O'Connell $232,500
18 Premier Pegasus Myung Cho $228,000
19 Shackleford Dale Romans $212,000
20 Nehro Steven Asmussen $200,000

21 Archarcharch William Fires $180,000
22 Anthony's Cross Eoin Harty $162,000
23 Brethren Todd Pletcher $155,000
24 Blue Laser Mark Casse $143,502
25 Flashpoint Richard Dutrow, Jr. $140,000
26 Willcox Inn Michael Stidham $139,000
27 Silver Medallion Steven Asmussen $124,334
28 Sweet Ducky Herman Brown $120,000
29 Travelin Man Todd Pletcher $120,000
30 Lou Brissie Neil Howard $99,043

31 Ruler On Ice Kelly Breen $96,000
32 Joes Blazing Aaron Allan Hunter, Jr. $90,000
33 Major Gain Wayne Catalano $86,370
34 Caleb's Posse Donnie Von Hemel $71,504
35 Nacho Saint Kelly Breen $70,500
36 Wilkinson Neil Howard $70,000
37 Elite Alex Timothy Ritchey $65,000
38 Sway Away Jeff Bonde $61,500
39 Twinspired Michael Maker $47,500

40 Indiano* Martin Wolfson $44,400
41 Surrey Star (IRE) James Cassidy $44,257
42 Classic Legacy Bob Baffert $41,756
43 Jakesam Jerry Hollendorfer $40,000
44 Alexander Pope (IRE) Aidan O'Brien $40,000
45 Abjer (FR) Ismail Mohammed $36,235

* Possible supplemental nomination