LeBron James..OVERRATED

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Why so angry?

LOL.

Larry Bird was a defensive liability and anyone from his era would say the same thing. Yeah, hands made him a good defender. LOL

His hands made a better defender than anyone with his lack of speed could possibly have. Remember the people he played with were superior defenders. Hard to look great defending on a team that contained Dennis Johnson, Robert Parrish, Kevin McHale... those were all very good defenders.

And I am from his era. I watched all Birds college games when they finally started televising him (Indiana St. was not a big draw). And I hated his guts because of his mouth.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Fair enough...i get passionate myself sometime.

You are characterizing Lebron as some sort of pretty boy when i dont think that is the case. Remember, he isnt a big. He is a smalll forward. The reason bird was underneath the basket so much is because he was too slow to guard the other team's three so most of the time he would draw the 4.

But im sure you knew that.

Partially correct imo.
But Bird was an exceptional rebounder with no hops
because his technique was exquisite. He blocked out
at very good angles, used his strength when necessary,
and played dirty. And balls did not go bouncing off his hands.
If a quick rebound came down because of bairly glancing the
rim, Bird snagged it. His reaction time was... bizarre it was so good.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by pgardn

His hands made a better defender than anyone with his lack of speed could possibly have. Remember the people he played with were superior defenders. Hard to look great defending on a team that contained Dennis Johnson, Robert Parrish, Kevin McHale... those were all very good defenders.

And I am from his era. I watched all Birds college games when they finally started televising him (Indiana St. was not a big draw). And I hated his guts because of his mouth.

I watched Bird plenty of times. That whole "hands" thing was created by the Boston media because Bird was the great white hope and there couldnt be any flaws in this basketball genius.

Bird was a great player, one of the all time greats for sure and no one would argue that. But defensively?

He was a liability. Anyone knows that "hands" can't make you a good defender. You dont defend with your hands, you defend with your feet. He was too slow to guard the other team's 3 and they put cornbread and then later 7 foot kevin mchale on the other team's small forward because Bird would get lit up every time he was on the perimeter.

With the Three point line moved in and the game being much faster today, Bird would be really difficult to hide.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Partially correct imo.
But Bird was an exceptional rebounder with no hops
because his technique was exquisite. He blocked out
at very good angles, used his strength when necessary,
and played dirty. And balls did not go bouncing off his hands.
If a quick rebound came down because of bairly glancing the
rim, Bird snagged it. His reaction time was... bizarre it was so good.

No doubt. Bird was all of those things. He was an amazing player for sure.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I watched Bird plenty of times. That whole "hands" thing was created by the Boston media because Bird was the great white hope and there couldnt be any flaws in this basketball genius.

Bird was a great player, one of the all time greats for sure and no one would argue that. But defensively?

He was a liability. Anyone knows that "hands" can't make you a good defender. You dont defend with your hands, you defend with your feet. He was too slow to guard the other team's 3 and they put cornbread and then later 7 foot kevin mchale on the other team's small forward because Bird would get lit up every time he was on the perimeter.

With the Three point line moved in and the game being much faster today, Bird would be really difficult to hide.

Wrong, oh so wrong.
Yes feet. Of course feet. But
hands can clearly make up partially for foot speed.
Bird would make steals on players that would try to set him
up before the dribble by poking the ball loose. I saw this happen
so many times.

I never said Bird was a great defender.
But he was adequate because of anticipation and
hand speed to make up for lack of foot speed.

What players do you know of that have quick feet for defense
but lack quick hands for poking prodding and getting a hand in the
face off a shot? If you do know of them, they are NOT good defenders.

And I thought we were discussing "intangibles"?
What are those?
Please.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Wrong, oh so wrong.
Yes feet. Of course feet. But
hands can clearly make up partially for foot speed.
Bird would make steals on players that would try to set him
up before the dribble by poking the ball loose. I saw this happen
so many times.

I never said Bird was a great defender.
But he was adequate because of anticipation and
hand speed to make up for lack of foot speed.

What players do you know of that have quick feet for defense
but lack quick hands for poking prodding and getting a hand in the
face off a shot? If you do know of them, they are NOT good defenders.

And I thought we were discussing "intangibles"?
What are those?
Please.

Picking and prodding? Poking loose balls? LOL. any more cliches?

He wasnt even adequate. He was a liability.

And he certainly wasnt close to the defender that Lebron is...which is what we were discussing before you lost your head.

[Mortimer]

I think I'm lost in threads again.


I think Z is the best center who ever lived.How dare you bag him,Phil .

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Picking and prodding? Poking loose balls? LOL. any more cliches?

He wasnt even adequate. He was a liability.

And he certainly wasnt close to the defender that Lebron is...which is what we were discussing before you lost your head.

You have never played nor coached basketball.
When you play D, you keep your hands in your pockets massaging
your ovaries?

Originally Posted by Mortimer

I think I'm lost in threads again.


I think Z is the best center who ever lived.How dare you bag him,Phil .

If Z could actually move...
I like him personally.
He can score, sometimes.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by pgardn

You have never played nor coached basketball.
When you play D, you keep your hands in your pockets massaging
your ovaries?

Oh my.

Even when Dala upsets me I wouldn't do this thing.


Shame-shame.


Don't ya just hate how you can't get her angry??

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by pgardn

If Z could actually move...
I like him personally.
He can score, sometimes.

He's 7 foot 3.

He really is open much more than he gets the ball.He has good moves,but your right;the foot ops. really made him cast in stone down there.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by pgardn

You have never played nor coached basketball.
When you play D, you keep your hands in your pockets massaging
your ovaries?

Misogynist now?

Wow.

I guess that is what you have to resort to when you are exposed.

Why don't you go find something else to do...I enjoy discussing sports with people that know a little something about them.

You really dont fit that bill. Toodles.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Wow. i don't want to be accused of bullying, but this seems a bit uncalled for. I wasn't aware we were discussing things with Dr. Jack Ramsey.

Thats about the 20th time you have used that.
Kinda like I am not the expert on the holocaust like you.
OLD.

[King Glorious]

No doubt that LeBron takes too many 3's. But so does Kobe Bryant. In fact, Kobe takes far more than LeBron and his shooting % is not that much higher. And when it comes to ft/3pa ratio, LeBron is much better than Kobe. There are several ways of looking at it. Over the last four years:

3pt attempts
Kobe-1718
LeBron-1356

FT attempts
Kobe-2993
LeBron-2922

3pt %
Kobe-34.8%
LeBron-32.9%

% of all shots that are 3pt attempts
Kobe-24.7%
LeBron-20.0%

Both of them shoot far too many 3's and bail the defense out too much instead of putting more pressure on them by driving more. I don't think his not being good at the line diminishes his driving ability because it still has other positive functions besides his ability to make the ft's. It gets the other team in foul trouble earlier and makes them use the bench more. It draws attention to him and leaves his teammates open for open shots or unblocked for offensive rebound chances. I think making the ft's would definitely enhance his game but not making them doesn't diminish it. At least I don't think so.

Ateam, when I said I wanted to have Jordan or Kobe shooting the jumper, you've got to keep in context. It was the lesser of two evils. Of course you don't back off and give them open shots. But with great players, you can't take everything away from them and I'd rather live with them taking 20 footers than driving and getting in the lane.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Misogynist now?

Wow.

I guess that is what you have to resort to when you are exposed.

Why don't you go find something else to do...I enjoy discussing sports with people that know a little something about them.

You really dont fit that bill. Toodles.

So toodles are the intangibles.
Good stuff. The water is too deep yet again.

Originally Posted by Mortimer

Oh my.

Even when Dala upsets me I wouldn't do this thing.


Shame-shame.


Don't ya just hate how you can't get her angry??

I would never try to get her angry.
But the exposure...
Thats easy.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You're cracking man. the discussion was very civil and you made it not with a comment like that. I thought we were over the holocaust discussion. Especially since it was weeks ago and you agreed that I made no such statement. Guess not. pretty sad...

Hoss-

When someone pulls that garbage out, they obviously dont know what they are talking about and have to divert away from the topic.

Again, i wish to discuss sports with people that know a little something. I dont think Pgardn fits the bill.

Great "hands" defenders. LOL.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You're cracking man. the discussion was very civil and you made it not with a comment like that. I thought we were over the holocaust discussion. Especially since it was weeks ago and you agreed that I made no such statement. Guess not. pretty sad...

Yes Im cracking and I need my pills.
So I can be just like you.
We have been through this.
Yes its sad.

And I feel very bad about not keeping a discussion
civil with a person of your most personable disposition.
Too funny..... civil.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by pgardn

I would never try to get her angry.
But the exposure...
Thats easy.

Have you said anything in this entire thread that is worth anything besides used up cliches?

You have no idea what you are talking about and its obvious. The fact that you had to stoop to that garbage twice exposes you as not only clueless but a total degenerate lacking any class or grace.

please take a walk because no one likes you.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Hoss-

When someone pulls that garbage out, they obviously dont know what they are talking about and have to divert away from the topic.

Again, i wish to discuss sports with people that know a little something. I dont think Pgardn fits the bill.

Great "hands" defenders. LOL.

Intangibles...
Good hands are intangible.
They dont exist.
Ya just make it up.

What are intangilbes.
And quit crying for help from other ya big baby.