Georgie Boy

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

the horse previously won on dirt with speed figures that are inline with what he is now running on aw. the class rise that you are hangin your hat on is a thin one imo.

His career lifetime top Beyer on dirt is a 98!!! And it came in a 1.5 length win in a 35K claiming race. His first start on synthetic, he beats TWO Grade 1 winners at 25/1 odds. His 2nd start on synthetic, he is beaten less than a length in the Hollywood Gold Cup at 25/1 odds.

Only someone trolling thinks that is a "thin class rise."

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

and really, how good is Big Booster running on aw? he won an allowance race solely because of a hot pace set by Sinister Minister, then in four stakes he managed to float up for third in two of them, and didn't threaten in the other two.

That's pretty funny. 30/1 shot Tobe Suave (who ran for a tag) pressed Sinister Minister and stayed on to finish 4th of 9. And, even though the pace wasn't really hot - if it was, how exactly would that hinder Heatseeker? After all, Heatseeker just won a $1,000,000 Grade 1 race that was setup by a very fast pace.

Oh yeah, you're right, the supposedly fast pace benefitted only Big Booster and not Heatseeker.

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

i don't understand why you and others immediately resort to insults when you confront someone with a differing opinion.

You're right - I should have known better than to ask if KYRIM stole your login - because the truth is, You do this trolling all the time!

Make no mistake, it is trolling, but you save it for racing debates and not off-topic nonsense stuff like every other poster would. It's very odd.

[Scav]

A grade 1 out in California really isn't equal to Grade 1's other places, all the good horses are in the east and midwest when it comes to dirt/synethic.

I know the point that Jim is trying to make, but it just won't get made. People like cmoriles and other people that have been doing this for a long time are stuck in their ways and change bothers them, it would bother me to. But all synethic track change are two things 1) pace and 2) the same notion that has been around since the creation of horse racing, some horses like it, some hate it, just like when horses switch from Hawthorne to Arlington, Churchilll to Turfway, Belmont to Saratoga.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Scav

A grade 1 out in California really isn't equal to Grade 1's other places, all the good horses are in the east and midwest when it comes to dirt/synethic.

I believe the only Grade 1 dirt route for older males run in the East so far was won by Spring At Last.

You do realize that Arl Jim said Big Booster "appears to be a better horse on dirt" ? He was a very moderate claimer on dirt!

[Scav]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I believe the only Grade 1 dirt route for older males run in the East so far was won by Spring At Last.

You do realize that Arl Jim said Big Booster appears to be a better horse on dirt? He was a very moderate claimer on dirt!

Some trainers improve horses and we don't know what to expect now on dirt. he WAS a very moderate claimer, under a different conditioner.

2.5 months Doug, and there has been how many Grade 1 routes this year so far, ONE! And that race while stamped a GRADE 1, didn't have grade 1 talent.

[cmorioles]

Posting career records means little. I'm talking about my personal figures and the level of accomplishment. The fact is, you don't see horses successful on synthetic moving over to dirt and registering similar performances very often. About the only thing similar between dirt and synthetic, apparently, is the mortality rate.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Scav

Some trainers improve horses and we don't know what to expect now on dirt. he WAS a very moderate claimer, under a different conditioner.

2.5 months Doug, and there has been how many Grade 1 routes this year so far, ONE! And that race while stamped a GRADE 1, didn't have grade 1 talent.

For the record, those different conditiones were Peter Walder and John Kimmel.

And Scavs, the horses in the East aren't that good either.

Look, a few people who've posted on boards with Arl Jim for longer than I have don't seem to think he's trolling - the consensus is they think he's just trying too hard to defend the surface of his home track....

Maybe I'm wrong to say he's "trolling" - but you really have to wonder how it can be said that "Big Booster appears to favor the dirt." That is just not a logical statement.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Posting career records means little. I'm talking about my personal figures and the level of accomplishment.

Someone page KyRim,

We need her to come tell CJ his figures are flawed.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

For the record, those different conditiones were Peter Walder and John Kimmel.

And Scavs, the horses in the East aren't that good either.

Look, a few people who've posted on boards with Arl Jim for longer than I have don't seem to think he's trolling - the consensus is they think he's just trying too hard to defend the surface of his home track....

Maybe I'm wrong to say he's "trolling" - but you really have to wonder how it can be said that "Big Booster appears to favor the dirt." That is just not a logical statement.

Walder is very good. Kimmel, um no, not with his stock.

I don't disagree, but East coast horses would trounce the west. STUDENT COUNCIL?? AWESOME GEM?? ZAPPA?? come on now. Zappa couldn't win a Grade 3 in NY or anywhere else. So would Awesome Gem for that matter.

Me personally, I can care less about a surface, they could run on cotton and it wouldn't matter to me

You check up on people on the internet?

Originally Posted by Scav

Walder is very good. Kimmel, um no, not with his stock.

I don't disagree, but East coast horses would trounce the west. STUDENT COUNCIL?? AWESOME GEM?? ZAPPA?? come on now. Zappa couldn't win a Grade 3 in NY or anywhere else. So would Awesome Gem for that matter.

Me personally, I can care less about a surface, they could run on cotton and it wouldn't matter to me

You check up on people on the internet?

Well then care less if you can.

[cmorioles]

The East is nothing to get too excited about either. The Skip Away, a G3, was just demolished by Gotcha Gold with a most likely inflated Beyer of 100. Mr. Umphrey was second. Yes, Mr. Umphrey. Frost Giant, a horse I looked at and dismissed in about 2 seconds when handicapping, went off at 6 to 5. Think about that one...

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Well then care less if you can.

Irregardless, ...

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Scav

You check up on people on the internet?

Huh?

[ArlJim78]

wow, Peter Walder had Big Booster for a single race in about a fifty race career.

my only agenda is that I wager on horse racing every day of the week so i try to study all aspects to stay sharp. I'm not trying to stick up for a particular surface. I only look for facts. I live near arlington but don't play it much and I'm not defending my home surface.

its easy to find examples of horses that have moved to synthetics and improved. Big Booster is one of them although I don't believe his improvement is that great.

however I didn't ask for examples of horses who moved from dirt to synthetic and improved. I asked a particular question for a particular reason, buts its clear that people aren't interested in putting aside their preconceived notions long enough to even try to understand the question or why I asked it. that's fine with me.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I asked a particular question for a particular reason, buts its clear that people aren't interested in putting aside their preconceived notions long enough to even try to understand the question or why I asked it. that's fine with me.

You asked CJ the question - I was going to stay out until you made the absurd comment that "Big Booster appears to prefer the dirt" and used his higher win percentage in claiming races - over his lower winning percentage (in Grade 1 and Grade 2 stakes) as your evidence.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Huh?

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Look, a few people who've posted on boards with Arl Jim for longer than I have don't seem to think he's trolling - the consensus is they think he's just trying too hard to defend the surface of his home track....

You checking up on people on the internet...

[Scav]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

wow, Peter Walder had Big Booster for a single race in about a fifty race career.

my only agenda is that I wager on horse racing every day of the week so i try to study all aspects to stay sharp. I'm not trying to stick up for a particular surface. I only look for facts. I live near arlington but don't play it much and I'm not defending my home surface.

its easy to find examples of horses that have moved to synthetics and improved. Big Booster is one of them although I don't believe his improvement is that great.

however I didn't ask for examples of horses who moved from dirt to synthetic and improved. I asked a particular question for a particular reason, buts its clear that people aren't interested in putting aside their preconceived notions long enough to even try to understand the question or why I asked it. that's fine with me.

TUESDAY's ALL YEAR? I can see now with Tampa but ALL YEAR?

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

You asked CJ the question - I was going to stay out until you made the absurd comment that "Big Booster appears to prefer the dirt" and used his higher win percentage in claiming races - over his lower winning percentage (in Grade 1 and Grade 2 stakes) as your evidence.

I was wrong. I shouldn't have said he prefers dirt.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Scav

TUESDAY's ALL YEAR? I can see now with Tampa but ALL YEAR?

haha, tuesday is a tough day. I can't say I play Tuesdays all year. Philly is a brutally tough place to play, but Tampa is great.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

i don't understand why you and others immediately resort to insults when you confront someone with a differing opinion.

Friends with the site owner...What do you expect? He can pretty much say anything to people......You're exactly right,though.....Says Yankee Bravo(who has never run a bad race) stinks,and then he wants people to overlook bad races by horses he likes(or bad races from horses trained by people he likes.) Unbelievable arrogance,actually,but that's the way it is.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

The synthetic to dirt move is an issue,but it's overstated.It's a concern,but not a reason to totally toss horses.Some horses are going to do well on both.A horse with a big stride (like Gayego's, for instance) might actually like the dirt better.Georgie Boy? I don't know,but I wouldn't just toss a horse with that much heart.