Where does RTR belong in history?

You can't beat the past. This sport is doomed in that regard. It's like baseball.

[King Glorious]

I think Rags has the potential to be a really top one. But, in my opinion, this is one of the weakest 3yo filly groups I've seen and the colts are not that much better. Street Sense and Curlin have seperated themselves from the pack but what's making them stand out as extra special is because the crop is extremely mediocre. It's always been my opinion that in order for me to say a horse is truly great, he/she's got to do something really special. I don't mean just win the top races because every year, someone is going to win those races. For me, u've either got to beat some really good horses or u've got to run some amazing times/figures. To me, Street Sense has beaten one good horse (Curlin) and Curlin has beaten one good horse (Street Sense) and Rags has beaten one good horse (Curlin). Neither one ran an extremely fast time, ie a 115+ figure.

Getting back to Rags, I don't think she's in the class with some of the best of the past 20 years like Go for Wand, Bayakoa, Personal Ensign, Inside Information, Lady's Secret, Paseana, Azeri, Winning Colors, or Serena's Song.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I think Rags has the potential to be a really top one. But, in my opinion, this is one of the weakest 3yo filly groups I've seen and the colts are not that much better. Street Sense and Curlin have seperated themselves from the pack but what's making them stand out as extra special is because the crop is extremely mediocre. It's always been my opinion that in order for me to say a horse is truly great, he/she's got to do something really special. I don't mean just win the top races because every year, someone is going to win those races. For me, u've either got to beat some really good horses or u've got to run some amazing times/figures. To me, Street Sense has beaten one good horse (Curlin) and Curlin has beaten one good horse (Street Sense) and Rags has beaten one good horse (Curlin). Neither one ran an extremely fast time, ie a 115+ figure.

Getting back to Rags, I don't think she's in the class with some of the best of the past 20 years like Go for Wand, Bayakoa, Personal Ensign, Inside Information, Lady's Secret, Paseana, Azeri, Winning Colors, or Serena's Song.

I guess you forgot about Tampa and the Preakness, but that's ok, I'll let it slide.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Siena 16

Ruffian by far was the fastest filly ever to race. And she ran when medication was not as much as a contributor to performance as it is in racing today

That's not exactly true but you can believe it if you want

[Danzig]

already? i haven't read thru the thread yet, but i think 'history' rankings are a bit premature. all the other fillies i would think are already done racing, while rags is not. well, hope not!

[SentToStud]

I look at it this way...

If you judged all fillies as of mid-June of their 3 yo years and came up with a list of the best, I'd say that as short as you choose to make that list,... she's on it.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

I look at it this way...

If you judged all fillies as of mid-June of their 3 yo years and came up with a list of the best, I'd say that as short as you choose to make that list,... she's on it.

Using this criteria, Silverbulletday would probably need to be in the discussion as well.
Although perhaps not an all-time great filly, she was extremely accomplished by mid-June of her 3yo campaign. She was a five-time graded stakes winner at 2 (including the BC), and won the Oaks and the Black-Eyed Susans at 3.

[witchdoctor]

I can't believe the name of Miesque has not come up yet. All she did ws win a bunch of Grade 1s in England and France and then came across the pond and beat up on the boys twice in the Breeder's Cup Mile.

[sumitas]

has anyone mentioned that RR is the first horse since Masterman, 1902, to be a 3rd generation Belmont winner.

Originally Posted by witchdoctor

I can't believe the name of Miesque has not come up yet. All she did ws win a bunch of Grade 1s in England and France and then came across the pond and beat up on the boys twice in the Breeder's Cup Mile.

TRUE.

she must be mentioned on the top 10.