PA Mom gets prison for getting daughter abortion

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Huh? The opponents I've encountered and read about are motivated sometimes by a religious belief abortion is murder and sometimes for the well-being of the fetus. Only heard of women's safety and health as an after-thought from the lifers.

I don't think this woman belongs in prison. I also think that driving 75 miles each way and $300-$600 is not an 'undue burden', especially when the sperm donor and or his family should bear at least half the cost and assist in transportation.

What is an 'undue burden' is to expect individuals having nothing to do with the mistake these two made, paying for the solution.

The lawmakers who pass laws restricting access to abortion talk in terms of protecting women's health. Look up the stuff lawmakers said in Texas and Virginia when they passed laws requiring abortion clinics to follow rules that they considered unnecessary to impose on ANY other kind of outpatient clinic.

You have not, perhaps, ever been really poor, which is why losing your job because you had to take two days off work (24-hour waiting period in PA!) and take the only car for a reason you can't tell your partner because you're afraid of what he'll do), doesn't occur to you as a possible outcome. Poverty comes with a bunch of bad options that the middle class don't have to consider.

It sucks that she was honest with the hospital. The article pointed out that treatment for a naturally occurring miscarriage is no different than for a chemically induced one. And miscarriages aren't uncommon; the hospital would likely not have suspected anything. So much for the truth shall set you free.

[dagolfer33]

I think people who routinely use abortion as a crutch in place of responsibility are worthless POS.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by dagolfer33

I think people who routinely use abortion as a crutch in place of responsibility are worthless POS.

And I think people who deny women the right to make that choice are worthless POS as well

[dagolfer33]

I agree wholeheartedly. I would never want anyone to interfere with a person's right to cover up their mistakes. A super liberal America is undoubtedly the best place in the world to be.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by dagolfer33

I agree wholeheartedly. I would never want anyone to interfere with a person's right to cover up their mistakes. A super liberal America is undoubtedly the best place in the world to be.

Wow..getting raped is a mistake? And what does pro-choice have to do with politics? Thankfully plenty of Repubs aren't forcing their opinions on a woman

[Pants II]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Wow..getting raped is a mistake? And what does pro-choice have to do with politics? Thankfully plenty of Repubs aren't forcing their opinions on a woman

The OP's article has no mention of rape, libturd.

Glad the liberals are forcing illegal immigrants upon us and all of their diseases.

Glad the liberals are forcing more of "dem programs" that haven't worked and never will on people that are beyond helping.

Weasels.

[Pants II]

A terrible mother helps her daughter try to cover a mistake by killing an unborn baby.

Propping up these idiots in the name of FREEDOM when there really isn't FREEDOM in this country is Alinksy-fueled horseshit.

You people are scum. Plain and simple.

[dagolfer33]

Originally Posted by Pants II

The OP's article has no mention of rape.

I had to read article again to make sure I wasn't missing something.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dagolfer33

I think people who routinely use abortion as a crutch in place of responsibility are worthless POS.

Myth 9: Women have multiple abortions rather than using birth control.

Fact: Most women who have abortions (52 percent) have had no previous abortions, and 26 percent have had only one previous abortion. Considering that most women are fertile for more than 30 years, and that birth control is not perfect, the likelihood of having one or two unintended pregnancies is very high.

[dagolfer33]

Originally Posted by Danzig

Myth 9: Women have multiple abortions rather than using birth control.

Fact: Most women who have abortions (52 percent) have had no previous abortions, and 26 percent have had only one previous abortion. Considering that most women are fertile for more than 30 years, and that birth control is not perfect, the likelihood of having one or two unintended pregnancies is very high.

I wasn't trying to generalize, I'm just pointing out serial aborists. I know they are out there. One of my exes worked in one of these clinics. I know first hand.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by dagolfer33

I wasn't trying to generalize, I'm just pointing out serial aborists. I know they are out there. One of my exes worked in one of these clinics. I know first hand.

FWIW I absolutely agree on that extreme.. and noted you weren't refering to the OPs post and neither was I

[dagolfer33]

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dagolfer33

I wasn't trying to generalize, I'm just pointing out serial aborists. I know they are out there. One of my exes worked in one of these clinics. I know first hand.

i don't care if they have one or a hundred. if they don't wish to have a child, i'd imagine they'd better not have it. if they can't remember to take a pill, why would you want them to neglect a kid?
people are going to have sex, we always have-cause it's awesome.

but why people think these folks should have to add mistakes to mistakes already made is beyond me. they know better than anyone what their state is; if they can't or don't wish to be a parent, i'd rather they not be.

[dagolfer33]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i don't care if they have one or a hundred. if they don't wish to have a child, i'd imagine they'd better not have it. if they can't remember to take a pill, why would you want them to neglect a kid?
people are going to have sex, we always have-cause it's awesome.

but why people think these folks should have to add mistakes to mistakes already made is beyond me. they know better than anyone what their state is; if they can't or don't wish to be a parent, i'd rather they not be.

I'm pro choice. There are situations and circumstances that warrant these tough decisions. I don't want emerging generations of people singing the "Swipe my EBT, Its Free!" song anymore than any other hardworking taxpayer. Again let me go back to my original statement, people who routinely use abortion as a crutch in place of responsibility are total POSs.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dagolfer33

I'm pro choice. There are situations and circumstances that warrant these tough decisions. I don't want emerging generations of people singing the "Swipe my EBT, Its Free!" song anymore than any other hardworking taxpayer. Again let me go back to my original statement, people who routinely use abortion as a crutch in place of responsibility are total POSs.

except it's a myth that it's 'routinely used' by anyone.

also:

Just as with women having their first abortion, however, the majority of women having their second or even their third abortion were using contraceptives during the time period in which they became pregnant. In fact, women having a repeat abortion are slightly more likely to have been using a highly effective hormonal method (e.g., the pill or an injectable). This finding refutes the notion that large numbers of women are relying on abortion as their primary method of birth control. Rather, it suggests that women having abortions—especially those having more than one—are trying hard to avoid unintended pregnancy, but are having trouble doing so.

i have to say, i don't understand why people bring up these supposed women who routinely have these abortions. and frankly, there's no evidence anyone does that.
it's not that there are many being done, and only a few women-1 in 3 women have had an abortion. it's more common than people realize-or want to realize.
as for the underlined, with more education going on, and more availability, the abortion and pregnancy rates have both dropped in this country for several years now, which is a good thing.