California Chrome: Pennsylvania Derby

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by casp0555

It all boils down to being about the money...I hope the horse comes out of this okay.

oh please.

the horse needed a prep, this is a good place for one. if they get a few extra ducats while running him, props to them.
geez.

if a horse ships its wrong. if a horse doesn't ship, it's wrong. can't win for losing.

[Indian Charlie]

This is not a horrible crop of three year olds. It's a crop of three year olds decimated by injuries. Shared belief, honor code, top billing and even possibly Cairo Prince can make next year slim pickings for California chrome.

[Pants II]

I don't dislike the horse...but I can't root for its success.

There hasn't been a story this pathetic since...well it's hard to remember.

A sheltered blowhard yokel gets the horse of a lifetime and can't transition to the spotlight. He obviously thought the spotlight was the comforts of home in his la-z-boy recliner where night after night he would start arguments with the flat screen that was conveniently set on Fox News.

Captain Betamale donned his cowboy hat and commoner giddy-up jeans and gave us a cutting room floor sketch of The Chappelle's Show "When Keeping it Real Goes Wrong".

Instead of listening to his wife while he was in the middle of his baby fit...he instead continued on his faux alpha male tirade and maintained his baby fit for a solid two days.

Then after coming out of an obvious bender he decides to go back to Captain Betamale and cries like a baby on national television.

Now Captain Betamale takes the easy paycheck (chicken ****) and ducks the Haskell/Travers/Pac Classic for the PENNSYLVANIA Derby.

He should be denied his man card permanently. Stay at home and let your wife attend. She wears the pants anyways and rightfully so...idiot.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by Pants II

I don't dislike the horse...but I can't root for its success.

There hasn't been a story this pathetic since...well it's hard to remember.

A sheltered blowhard yokel gets the horse of a lifetime and can't transition to the spotlight. He obviously thought the spotlight was the comforts of home in his la-z-boy recliner where night after night he would start arguments with the flat screen that was conveniently set on Fox News.

Captain Betamale donned his cowboy hat and commoner giddy-up jeans and gave us a cutting room floor sketch of The Chappelle's Show "When Keeping it Real Goes Wrong".

Instead of listening to his wife while he was in the middle of his baby fit...he instead continued on his faux alpha male tirade and maintained his baby fit for a solid two days.

Then after coming out of an obvious bender he decides to go back to Captain Betamale and cries like a baby on national television.

Now Captain Betamale takes the easy paycheck (chicken ****) and ducks the Haskell/Travers/Pac Classic for the PENNSYLVANIA Derby.

He should be denied his man card permanently. Stay at home and let your wife attend. She wears the pants anyways and rightfully so...idiot.

I dare say you've made your point!

[booner]

Originally Posted by Pants II

I don't dislike the horse...but I can't root for its success.

There hasn't been a story this pathetic since...well it's hard to remember.

A sheltered blowhard yokel gets the horse of a lifetime and can't transition to the spotlight. He obviously thought the spotlight was the comforts of home in his la-z-boy recliner where night after night he would start arguments with the flat screen that was conveniently set on Fox News.

Captain Betamale donned his cowboy hat and commoner giddy-up jeans and gave us a cutting room floor sketch of The Chappelle's Show "When Keeping it Real Goes Wrong".

Instead of listening to his wife while he was in the middle of his baby fit...he instead continued on his faux alpha male tirade and maintained his baby fit for a solid two days.

Then after coming out of an obvious bender he decides to go back to Captain Betamale and cries like a baby on national television.

Now Captain Betamale takes the easy paycheck (chicken ****) and ducks the Haskell/Travers/Pac Classic for the PENNSYLVANIA Derby.

He should be denied his man card permanently. Stay at home and let your wife attend. She wears the pants anyways and rightfully so...idiot.

Good stuff, Pants. Good stuff.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

This is not a horrible crop of three year olds. It's a crop of three year olds decimated by injuries. Shared belief, honor code, top billing and even possibly Cairo Prince can make next year slim pickings for California chrome.

Shared Belief is a nice horse and would have made an impact in the TC if healthy.
Top Billing has a fair to good chance to develop into a decent type if he comes back sound.

I'm not buying the hype on either Honor Code or Cairo Prince. They were decent 2yo's in a crappy crop of 2 yo's and would be shocked if we haven't already seen the best of them, and would be equally shocked if they ever came back to that 2yo form.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Shared Belief is a nice horse and would have made an impact in the TC if healthy.
Top Billing has a fair to good chance to develop into a decent type if he comes back sound.

I'm not buying the hype on either Honor Code or Cairo Prince. They were decent 2yo's in a crappy crop of 2 yo's and would be shocked if we haven't already seen the best of them, and would be equally shocked if they ever came back to that 2yo form.

I agree that Cairo Prince was hyped, but who knows. He looked like he had room for improvement.

As for Honor Code, it's not unusual for AP Indy progeny to improve with age and racing.

[casp0555]

Originally Posted by Danzig

oh please.

the horse needed a prep, this is a good place for one. if they get a few extra ducats while running him, props to them.
geez.

if a horse ships its wrong. if a horse doesn't ship, it's wrong. can't win for losing.

You are correct, I have no argument with the fact that CC needs a prep. The Los Al Mile or Awesome Again would fit but for less of a purse. My concern is shipping the horse cross country to run at PARX...like I stated, I hope the horse comes out of this okay.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by casp0555

You are correct, I have no argument with the fact that CC needs a prep. The Los Al Mile or Awesome Again would fit but for less of a purse. My concern is shipping the horse cross country to run at PARX...like I stated, I hope the horse comes out of this okay.

and like i said above, people have been criticized for not shipping. now they're getting criticized for shipping.
it's ridiculous.
if people have issues with the owners, i can understand that. but to suggest they're greedy or shouldn't ship isn't valid criticism.
people wanted him to come east...now he is, but to the wrong spot. so now it's greed? or he suddenly shouldn't ship after having done so just fine before?
people complained when they mentioned possibly skipping the santa anita derby. they decided to run-that was being a good sport, but now if they run it's greed?
we complain that horses don't run enough, then we complain when they run too much. oh, he's too young to retire, oh, he's too old to run.
you're damned no matter what you do.

http://www.taleswithmorals.com/aesop...the-donkey.htm

[SundayStar]

i hope he wins the pa derby big and then wins the bc classic

[Patrick333]

Originally Posted by SundayStar

i hope he wins the pa derby big and then wins the bc classic

It wouldn't break my heart if won both of them. He's a gutty horse.

[GenuineRisk]

I don't see it as a weird choice- the horse is a dual classic winner, and short of winning the Breeders' Cup Classic, I don't see how his value as a stud is going to change much one way or another, regardless of what happens here on out. So why not run him in what they hope will be a soft spot, where they're guaranteed a pretty generous check for both them and their trainer?

As for turning down the 51% sale of him, one of the requirements was a change of trainer, and regardless of how thoroughly media unsavvy they are, they've been quite loyal to Sherman. In a business where talented horses get bought up the second they show ability and handed off to big trainers that already have dozens of good horses, I can't dislike owners that stay with the trainer who took them on to begin with.

[OldDog]

Originally Posted by Patrick333

It wouldn't break my heart if won both of them. He's a gutty horse.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

I don't see it as a weird choice- the horse is a dual classic winner, and short of winning the Breeders' Cup Classic, I don't see how his value as a stud is going to change much one way or another, regardless of what happens here on out. So why not run him in what they hope will be a soft spot, where they're guaranteed a pretty generous check for both them and their trainer?

As for turning down the 51% sale of him, one of the requirements was a change of trainer, and regardless of how thoroughly media unsavvy they are, they've been quite loyal to Sherman. In a business where talented horses get bought up the second they show ability and handed off to big trainers that already have dozens of good horses, I can't dislike owners that stay with the trainer who took them on to begin with.

And agreed. Well, at least I can't dislike them for that.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

I don't see it as a weird choice- the horse is a dual classic winner, and short of winning the Breeders' Cup Classic, I don't see how his value as a stud is going to change much one way or another, regardless of what happens here on out. So why not run him in what they hope will be a soft spot, where they're guaranteed a pretty generous check for both them and their trainer?

As for turning down the 51% sale of him, one of the requirements was a change of trainer, and regardless of how thoroughly media unsavvy they are, they've been quite loyal to Sherman. In a business where talented horses get bought up the second they show ability and handed off to big trainers that already have dozens of good horses, I can't dislike owners that stay with the trainer who took them on to begin with.

it's not a weird choice at all. it was a smart move in every respect.