Best Horses not to win a derby who ran into it

[KirisClown]

HOLY BULL

Originally Posted by KirisClown

HOLY BULL

Beautiful pic. What an animal.
Haven't seen a display of courage like his in the Travers since then, that was heart personified.
And if you wanna see a frightening display of raw power, watch his Woodward.

http://opinions.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=23481

Note the part about the FBI.
Croll later said that they concluded he had been tampered with before the Derby.

This was a magnificent horse. His place in history diminished because his career ending injury coiinicided with the true assertion of Cigar, he slipped through the cracks.

Wish someone had the video of his Met Mile or Woodward or Travers.
Now this was a superhorse.

[KirisClown]

Originally Posted by oracle80

http://opinions.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=23481

Note the part about the FBI.
Croll later said that they concluded he had been tampered with before the Derby.

This was a magnificent horse. His place in history diminished because his career ending injury coiinicided with the true assertion of Cigar, he slipped through the cracks.

Wish someone had the video of his Met Mile or Woodward or Travers.
Now this was a superhorse.

Pretty amazing, I wasnt aware the FBI contacted Croll...

I uploaded some of his races to Youtube...

Woodward: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvixU1BNrMA

Travers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPezwDz9MC8

Met Mile: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfCRLP_fQjg

Haskell: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsFdO-OICsw

Florida Derby: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OJwB5IHlV0

Olympic Handicap: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yb9_I7uhiRk

Futurity: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgSO4tOPS0w

Driscoll
Inventor
Governor Gray

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPezw...elated&search=

Just found a sweet treat for those who weren't following the sport yet in 1994.
Its the Travers, D wayne Lukas decided to run a rabbit to soften up the Bull in hopes it would help his Belmont and Preakness winner Tabasco Cat.
Eventual Super derby and Breeders Cup Classic winner is in the field under Jerry Bailey.
Take a look, and take note of the fractions he sets en route to victory.
That folks, is an alltime great.
Enjoy

[Buffymommy]

Originally Posted by oracle80

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPezw...elated&search=

Just found a sweet treat for those who weren't following the sport yet in 1994.
Its the Travers, D wayne Lukas decided to run a rabbit to soften up the Bull in hopes it would help his Belmont and Preakness winner Tabasco Cat.
Eventual Super derby and Breeders Cup Classic winner is in the field under Jerry Bailey.
Take a look, and take note of the fractions he sets en route to victory.
That folks, is an alltime great.
Enjoy

But did you notice who was ten lengths back going into the stretch and only lost by a nose. Only Vic Gallop had a better kick. Thanks for video. I miss Concern. I loved that little horsie.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by oracle80

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPezw...elated&search=

Just found a sweet treat for those who weren't following the sport yet in 1994.
Its the Travers, D wayne Lukas decided to run a rabbit to soften up the Bull in hopes it would help his Belmont and Preakness winner Tabasco Cat.
Eventual Super derby and Breeders Cup Classic winner is in the field under Jerry Bailey.
Take a look, and take note of the fractions he sets en route to victory.
That folks, is an alltime great.
Enjoy

I cut out the photo of him crossing the finish line in that race, taped it on a wall at work. The wall it was on was concrete and a leak from the second floor would have water run down it when it rained hard. The water sealed that newspaper clip to the wall, like it was laminated. It was on that wall until this past summer when my building flooded out and when it refurbished, they painted over it. The photo was out of the Schenectady Gazette and that was one AWESOME race!

[Linny]

Originally Posted by oracle80

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPezw...elated&search=

Just found a sweet treat for those who weren't following the sport yet in 1994.
Its the Travers, D wayne Lukas decided to run a rabbit to soften up the Bull in hopes it would help his Belmont and Preakness winner Tabasco Cat.
Eventual Super derby and Breeders Cup Classic winner is in the field under Jerry Bailey.
Take a look, and take note of the fractions he sets en route to victory.
That folks, is an alltime great.
Enjoy

Commanche Run was eventually repurchased by his breeder and retired to a life as a pleasure horse. Concern was always underrated.

Back to the topic: Damascus
Native Dancer
Forego

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by KirisClown

Pretty amazing, I wasnt aware the FBI contacted Croll...

I uploaded some of his races to Youtube...

Woodward: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvixU1BNrMA

Travers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPezwDz9MC8

Met Mile: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfCRLP_fQjg

Haskell: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsFdO-OICsw

Florida Derby: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OJwB5IHlV0

Olympic Handicap: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yb9_I7uhiRk

Futurity: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgSO4tOPS0w

thanks for the GREAT video !

[Pedigree Ann]

Just watched the Travers. THANK YOU. A sight to warm the heart of a lover of less-than-fashionably pedigrees. Two male line Plaudits fighting it out.

[TheSpyder]

About 10 years ago:

Who was the horse that was coming through the tunnel and fliped over on its way to the Derby? Began with an E and thought the horse would be special. It was either the Derby or Breeders Cup and I believe the horse was a 3 yo????

[TheSpyder]

Thanks Hossman, I thinks that was the horse. I really liked her and never found out what happened...Damn, what a shame!!

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Exogenous, I think you are referring to. 3 year old filly that flipped before the BC Distaff. They had to put her down.

Also it was only five years ago, 2001 BC i believe.

[KirisClown]

Originally Posted by oracle80

And if you wanna see a frightening display of raw power, watch his Woodward.

I know, I have most of his races on tape.. I go back and watch them a few times each year... I was there for that Woodward on Super Saturday 94, it was the best experience ive ever had as a racing fan.

Originally Posted by KirisClown

I know, I have most of his races on tape.. I go back and watch them a few times each year... I was there for that Woodward on Super Saturday 94, it was the best experience ive ever had as a racing fan.

One of my favorites as well. I played the pik-6 that day and caught some chalk but went "all" in the Vosburgh and caught the longest shot, Harlan. Singled Royal Mountain Inn in the grass race preceeding the Woodward and was alive with the Bull. I think I spent like 120 bucks.
Bull didn't make the lead, he stalked and when he decided it was time to go, he hit them with a quarter mile burst that would have knocked any field off their feet.
What i remember as he rolled home in front was that Mike Smith was so excited with what he had just felt that before the wire he stood up and pumped his arm as high in the air as you ever saw a jockey do that, I was actually afraid for a moment that he was gonna fly right out of the saddle.
I think the pik-6 paid like 2 grand, maybe a little less.

[KirisClown]

Originally Posted by oracle80

One of my favorites as well. I played the pik-6 that day and caught some chalk but went "all" in the Vosburgh and caught the longest shot, Harlan. Singled Royal Mountain Inn in the grass race preceeding the Woodward and was alive with the Bull. I think I spent like 120 bucks.
Bull didn't make the lead, he stalked and when he decided it was time to go, he hit them with a quarter mile burst that would have knocked any field off their feet.
What i remember as he rolled home in front was that Mike Smith was so excited with what he had just felt that before the wire he stood up and pumped his arm as high in the air as you ever saw a jockey do that, I was actually afraid for a moment that he was gonna fly right out of the saddle.
I think the pik-6 paid like 2 grand, maybe a little less.

Yeah, Smith was as pumped as any jockey ive seen after that race... The crowd was wild after that race too.. I loved the fact that he stalked in there, it's still painful thinking about what might have been had he not gotten injured... I guess we should be thankful we witnessed it, even though it was brief.. it was an awesome career..

A few other races from that pick six...

1994 Ruffian: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO0h4oyb6WI

1994 Man o'War: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRuHRYY58Io

1994 Matron: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBLTrlHKlfg

Awesome stuff Kiri!!!!!
You know as I watched some races on Youtube today I was struck several times by the track announcer calling a pace moderate or saying it had slowed.
The fractions within these races were just so much faster than you see lately in these 4-6 horse crawl fests where they go in 48 or 47:4.
That Woodward contained at least 7 grade one winners, and the only one I'm not sure was a grade one winner was Pistols and Roses and he may have been.
Imagine that? At least 7 horses with grade one wins lining up in one race that wasn't called the Breeders Cup?
Good luck seeing that ever again.

[KirisClown]

Originally Posted by oracle80

That Woodward contained at least 7 grade one winners, and the only one I'm not sure was a grade one winner was Pistols and Roses and he may have been.
Imagine that? At least 7 horses with grade one wins lining up in one race that wasn't called the Breeders Cup?
Good luck seeing that ever again.

It was pretty amazing, every horse in there was a Grade 1 winner, a who's who of the handicap division.. Pistols and Roses was a dual G1 winner, he took the 93 and 94 Donn.

I agree.... I doubt we'll ever see anything like that again in the US outside of the BC...