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Old 05-06-2014, 06:50 PM
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Thoro-Graph numbers for both cards available now..

https://www.thorograph.com/ROTW/index.php?utid=main

-3 (neg) for Untapable. New top from -2.25 (neg) 2 back.

0 for California Chrome. Slight new top .5 last.
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Old 05-06-2014, 06:55 PM
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Thoro-Graph numbers for both cards available now..

https://www.thorograph.com/ROTW/index.php?utid=main

-3 (neg) for Untapable. New top from -2 (neg) last.

0 for California Chrome. Slight new top .5 last.

How does Cal Crome's thorograph compare to recent past winners?
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Old 05-06-2014, 07:01 PM
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How does Cal Crome's thorograph compare to recent past winners?
Faster than Super Saver and I'll Have Another, slower than everyone else from 2006 til the present. About the same as Giacomo from 2005.

The figs are available in the archive section at their site.

This link should give you all the winning figs since 1982:

https://www.thorograph.com/archive/f...inners2013.pdf
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Old 05-06-2014, 07:16 PM
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So, according to the link from Golfer, California Chrome is in a multi horse tie for best TG Derby figure in the history of TG, circa 1981 or 1982??
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Old 05-06-2014, 07:25 PM
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So, according to the link from Golfer, California Chrome is in a multi horse tie for best TG Derby figure in the history of TG, circa 1981 or 1982??
No. The Negative numbers are faster. The scale doesn't stop at zero.
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Old 05-07-2014, 12:35 AM
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Here's an example of the occasional pitfalls associated with the "facts"

Aqueduct April 12th Race 6:
Trakus Time: 1:22.24
Official Time: 1:23.50

Aqueduct April 12th Race 8:
Trakus Time: 1:21.97
Official Time: 1:22.01


As you can see...

http://www.nyra.com/aqueduct/videos/...0140412/6/pan/

The clock malfunctioned during the running of Race 6. Now, because of the tricky camera angle, seven furlong races are among the very hardest to "hand-time" -- so I won't be too critical of the lousy job by whoever hand-timed the 6th race.

Anyway, 1:22.28 (The Trackus time, plus 0.04) would be the proper final time to use for Race #6 in order to get it in harmony with Race 8.

In other words, the 1:23.50 "official" final time, that is in the past performances and result charts, is garbage.

This stuff happens a whole lot more at some places, than others. For every one time it happens on the NYRA circuit, it happens a lot more frequently at some cheaper tracks. There are some cheap tracks that were a pleasure. Emerald Downs had almost no timing problems and good chart callers. But, than you have places like Penn National and especially Evangeline Downs -- where screw-ups happen all the time. The chart callers at Golden Gate were the sloppiest I encountered, in regard to simply reporting the correct final time.
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Old 05-06-2014, 07:15 PM
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How does Cal Crome's thorograph compare to recent past winners?
Answered above..

In terms of the way the discussion has come up for this year, TG has the winner and runner up slightly faster than Beyer, but like Beyer, the rest of the field falls logically into line... (As opposed to some that want to insist that they all were magically faster despite all the evidence to the contrary.)
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