ukraine

[dellinger63]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jDVT-FYV7g

[Seattleallstar]

Question is what will Obama do now, he Jimmy Cartered the Russia problem

[Danzig]

honestly, i'm not sure that obama should do anything. the first question must be what has it got to do with us?

it's too bad that we have foolishly behaved all these years in the middle east. we bogged ourselves down completely with rotten foreign policy.

and of course an update says that parliament gave permission. it's laughable to think he needed to ask. or that they would refuse.

[Seattleallstar]

Originally Posted by Danzig

honestly, i'm not sure that obama should do anything. the first question must be what has it got to do with us?

it's too bad that we have foolishly behaved all these years in the middle east. we bogged ourselves down completely with rotten foreign policy.

and of course an update says that parliament gave permission. it's laughable to think he needed to ask. or that they would refuse.

It's about keeping Putin and Russia in check, that's what it has to do with us. Putin at anytime can say screw this and become a problem and a real threat. Russia and China can upset the world order at anytime

[jms62]

So a democratically elected leader gets ousted by rebels and asks a neighbor for help. If this happened in Mexico and we were asked for help would we expect the world to look at us as the bad guy?

[Seattleallstar]

Originally Posted by jms62

So a democratically elected leader gets ousted by rebels and asks a neighbor for help. If this happened in Mexico and we were asked for help would we expect the world to look at us as the bad guy?

We are never the bad guys, the perks of being "the" superpower

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

We are never the bad guys, the perks of being "the" superpower

We certainly no longer "Walk Softly and carry a Big Stick". We now Talk loudly and hope we have the biggest stick and enough money to buy more sticks.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by jms62

So a democratically elected leader gets ousted by rebels and asks a neighbor for help. If this happened in Mexico and we were asked for help would we expect the world to look at us as the bad guy?

The media can't even name the rebels as the Crimean Tatars (gypsy muslims). A 20% minority. Putin is answering the calls for help the Ukraine ignored.

Siberian prisons are too westernized for these people yet our narcissist media has it as a fight for independence and a yearning for the western life.

Of course all involved are far less bigoted/anti-gay than the people of Arizona.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

The media can't even name the rebels as the Crimean Tatars (gypsy muslims). A 20% minority. Putin is answering the calls for help the Ukraine ignored.

Siberian prisons are too westernized for these people yet our narcissist media has it as a fight for independence and a yearning for the western life.

Of course all involved are far less bigoted/anti-gay than the people of Arizona.

Our media is owned by the same folks that profit from ongoing state of war. Interesting that this spin comes just as we have MAJOR military budget cuts. I am not saying that the Ukraine issue was manufactured but the spin we are taking certainly could be.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Danzig

honestly, i'm not sure that obama should do anything. the first question must be what has it got to do with us?

it's too bad that we have foolishly behaved all these years in the middle east. we bogged ourselves down completely with rotten foreign policy.

and of course an update says that parliament gave permission. it's laughable to think he needed to ask. or that they would refuse.

Agree...Ukraine was part of the old USSR...If dumya was still here he would invade!...I think we should stay out, by no means send troops or planes...let them settle unless we get 100% UN support...Look where they are located, what can we do other than talk?

[jms62]

Originally Posted by bigrun

Agree...Ukraine was part of the old USSR...If dumya was still here he would invade!...I think we should stay out, by no means send troops or planes...let them settle unless we get 100% UN support...Look where they are located, what can we do other than talk?

Stay Out Period unless our dwindling allies get involved first and beg us for help.

[bigrun]

[bigrun]

The approval came within two hours of Putin appealing to parliament, saying the move is needed to protect ethnic Russians and the personnel of a Russian military base in Ukraine's strategic region of Crimea, a peninsula the size of Massachusetts where three out of four people speak Russian.


However, the vote does not specify that Russian troops are authorized to enter Crimea; instead, it states Russia's military force can enter "Ukraine," giving themselves a legal cloak to target more than Crimea.

http://www.nbcnews.com/#/storyline/u...on-plan-n41861