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11-27-2006, 06:12 PM
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The bottom line is that he did not run as fast as EG. Holy Bull would have smoked both of them at a mile in November.. Last edited by Slewbopper : 11-27-2006 at 06:56 PM. 
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11-28-2006, 04:57 PM
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Holy Bull? He'd better hope Cigar wasn't in the same race as him.
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11-28-2006, 05:02 PM
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Irrelevant distance? You ever even see that race? Distance made no difference. Easy had him the whole way anytime he wanted him. Now what made the difference? The difference was that they had tight security on the barn SS was in before the race and ole Doc Harthill couldnt stop by. I think that theory is lot better than yours. A length, a nose and a neck as opposed to the length of the stretch? The program should have read, Harthill off. ****, Easy Goer couldnt even have Lasix and Harthill's working on SS and doing his preraces. everyplace except NY that was, and he got his ass handed to him.
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11-28-2006, 05:04 PM
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I guess its just "a coiincidence" that the one time they met and Harthill couldn't get near SS that SS got bitchslapped by a pole huh?
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11-28-2006, 05:16 PM
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Holy Bull
Olympic - 117 Woodward - 116 Travers - 115 Haskell - 115 Dwyer - 119 Met Mile - 122 Derby - 85 Bluegrass - 113 Fla Derby - 115 FOY - 57 Hutch - 108 In Reality - 93 Futurity - 103 Alw - 91 MSW - 101 Cigar BC Classic - 115 JC Gold Cup - 115 Woodward - 116 Pacific Classic - 111 Arlington - 117 Mass Cap - 112 Donn - 117 BC Classic - 117 JC Gold Cup - 111 Woodward - 111 Hol Gold Cup - 118 Mass Cap - 117 Pim Special - 114 Oaklawn - 121 GP Handicap - 116 Donn - 114 Alw - 108
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11-28-2006, 05:18 PM
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Ghostzapper
Met Mile - 123 BC Classic - 124 Woodward - 114 Iselin - 128 Tom Fool - 120 Vosburgh - 116 King's Bishop - 106 Alw - 99 Alw - 102 Alw - 84 MSW - 99
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11-28-2006, 06:05 PM
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Bravado I don't know who you are but PLEASE come back and give us Alysheba's numbers. I have to see those.
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11-28-2006, 06:03 PM
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Thanks Bravado, very sincerely thanks. Imagine where the Bull was headed had he not been injured? DC's race the other day was hyped as the greatest thing since sliced bread, and look what the Bull did as a THREE YEAR OLD in the SUMMER AND EARLY FALL!!!! Holy Bull's Woodward was twice the race that Discreet Cat's mile was.
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11-28-2006, 05:19 PM
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i don't buy the bald eagle being a cheat, not at all.
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#10
11-28-2006, 05:24 PM
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Fewer posters have contributed as much quality information in as short a time as bravado. Well done!
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11-28-2006, 05:40 PM
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I love these figs that Bravado is posting. It is a great reminder of what a good horse genuinely looked like. Seeing Cigar's numbers is very interesting, as at the time everyone that used numbers recognized him as a good horse, and very consistent, but over all not supremely fast. When you compare him to some of the other horses Bravado has posted that is obvious. The problem is that these days very mediocre good horses get annointed as superstars. There was Smarty Jones, a relatively slow good horses ( save his LAST win...the Preakness ), and then there may be the worst offender of all time...Afleet Alex. People talk about him with hushed tones, and he was a nice horse, just slow. Would either of those two horses have run some really " fast " races had they stuck around, possibly, but also quite possibly they would have been swallowed up as perhaps some others improved. I highly doubt Afleet Alex would have had an easy time with the Flower Alley of the summer of 2005. On the other hand, Seattle Slew was " slow " as a 3YO and it wasn't until he was really tested, in the Fall of his 4YO season, that we found out how good he really was.
The point....stop annointing superstars based on a few races and keep some perspective on what we are seeing. These numbers of horses from the last 20 years offer some great perspective. I would like to see Precisionist's numbers, and the distances he was running, at his peak ( and before his awful unretirement ). Then there was Turkoman. Man, these were GOOD horses, and they raced.
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11-28-2006, 07:40 PM
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 By the way, trust me...you're only saying that now because I've been posting absent my own personal opinions on some of these issues!  Last edited by Bravado2112 : 11-28-2006 at 07:52 PM.
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