Discreet Cat's Beyer was a 115

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Randall I guess it fell a little short of zapper's Met huh?
The problem with taking this great race at face value based on time was the speed of the surface, and the fact that awarding DC a zapper number would mean that both Badge and Silver Train ran near career bests as well. This was my opinion on why the race wasn't as fast fig wise as the raw time screamers wanted you to believe.
An exceptional performance(especially visually, he had gears, and stopped and started at will, now THAT impresses me more than the time) but Badge and Silver, in my opinion, are not the horses they once were and I had a hard time believing that moster of all figs was run yesterday with both of those getting beat three lengths.
Fig sounds about right, and it was a great performance.

Mike, aren't you the guy who slams Beyers as worthless every chance you get. Let's wait for the Thoro number before you wet your pants.

[randallscott35]

Incidently,
Did Zapper ever run a 115 in his 3 yr old season. Nope, Discreet has done it 2 times....But Discreet is not in the air of a Zapper yet and I didn't say he was. I simply put that I thought the performance was Zapperesque. No more, no less. His 4yr old season will show us the way.

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Incidently,
Did Zapper ever run a 115 in his 3 yr old season. Nope, Discreet has done it 2 times....But Discreet is not in the air of a Zapper yet and I didn't say he was. I simply put that I thought the performance was Zapperesque. No more, no less. His 4yr old season will show us the way.

This very well may be the case Randall. He may turn out to be the all time greatest. I'm not saying it isn't possible, because his raw talent is incredible.
But Ghost's Vosburgh was every bit the race that DC's Cigar was, every single bit.

[Revolution]

Discreet Cat=Undefeated Track Record Holder.

Ghostzapper= Loser to Valid Video and Great Notion.


Valid Video. Great Notion.

Ghost who?

[blackthroatedwind]

Ghostzapper got a 116 in the Vosburgh as a 3YO.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Ghostzapper got a 116 in the Vosburgh as a 3YO.

Discreet's number in this is a 116 as well. Of course Ghost wasn't giving weight to elders in the Vos, in fact he got a break....But no matter.

[Revolution]

Discreet Cat goes 5 for 5 next year and retires undefeated and he will join the all-time greats. Ghostzapper is never getting there.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Discreet's number in this is a 116 as well. Of course Ghost wasn't giving weight to elders in the Vos, in fact he got a break....But no matter.

Not sure the argument, and I never understood the reluctance to either admit that Ghostzapper was an exceptional animal, or detract from one horse because another is good.

Right now Ghostzapper has Grade 1 wins at 6 1/2 furlongs, one mile, 1 1/8 miles and 1 1/4 miles, each one in exceptionally fast time. Discreet Cat has the opportunity to at least reasonably match that. I think ALL racing fans hope that he at least gets that opportunity. Nothing he does will diminish Ghostzappers accomplishments and awesome performances.

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Mike, aren't you the guy who slams Beyers as worthless every chance you get. Let's wait for the Thoro number before you wet your pants.

Won't be much different in its relation to his previous races.
I think it will be the same number hes been running.
This race was one I had to think about a long time before posting any thoughts on how good it was, and I'm sure mssrs Brown and Ragozin will not be quick to assign the number.
I'm not real big on using the performance of the runners up to make a number on the winner. But in this case the current form of the runners up who were beatn by 3 lengths, and the speed of the track in the one turn races yesterday made it impossible for me to think he'd run a number commensurate with the way people were talking about the race.
Thats not a knock on a great race, far from it.